San CristoBULL

Dolly the Clone

Nursery Rhyme Pied Piper

Maryanne Carruthers

Sock Puppet

Ben Reade Memorial Sex Worker Turned Killer

Death of Maureen Bauer aka Suburban Joke

Mob Family Matters

The Many Faces of Bradley Cole

Through the Portrait***

That's 10. Darn, I have more. Okay, Dishonorable Mentions:

Tunneling beneath the city & somehow falling down through the ceiling of Danny & Michelle's apartment

Baseball Diamond

Marty West's sweatpants drop to his knees

Incredible Fans Who Believed Conboy & Weston were having an affair

***FTR even when I hate something I can enjoy good costumes.

 

Edited August 12, 20241 yr by Contessa Donatella
Costume Corollary

19 hours ago, P.J. said:

I had been avoiding the second half of '93, as it crushes my Billy/Vanessa heart, but I ventured into '94 to try and find the custody battle over Peter. HOLY SH#T. It gets intense between Ross and Vanessa, with both of them dragging Ed into the middle. (Or at the very least Vanessa, who goes there at one point and threatens to drag up Ed's affair with Lillian if Ross crucifies her on the stand) 

That's a little before this, which is Ross brutally questioning her at the hearing.  Oddly, the episode before this has that fake Vanessa again stepping in for Maeve (in what I swear is the same suit she wore in '92, when she single-handedly kills the momentum of Bill's running away). I suppose it was all a set up for bringing Dinah back, but damn.  

 

I don’t think I got to see these in real time, it was probably years later but every time I see them, I can’t help but think, man, are these courtroom scenes compelling! It would have been nice to do one of those reunion livestreams where both Maeve and Melissa talk about what was going on in and behind the scenes on the days these scenes were filmed!

In no particular order:

--Reva the Clone

--Reva the Time Traveler

--Reva the Ghost

--Eli Sims, The Girl in the Lake and the Ghost in the Attic

--The Dreaming Death

--Harley Cooper, Super Hero

--Everything San Cristocrap

--Everything Involving Carrie Nye

--Ben Reade's Sad End

--The Nursery Rhyme Stalker

--The Santos Mob Invasion

--Amanda Spaulding: Alan's Sudden Sister

--Jeffrey O'Neill

--Floyd Parker: Insta-Killer

--Brandon Spaulding is Alive (although we saw him die on-screen)

I have to stop; I'm depressing myself, and I've already gone beyond ten choices!

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56 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Challenge accepted:

Dolly

Chelsea's stalker

The Dreaming Death

San Cristobell

Jeffrey O'Neill 

Reva the Amish

Ben Reade Serial Killer

Cyrus

Paul Valere

Infinity 

disHM, the two plots with Carrie Nye, the ridiculous Cottage from Hell and the mega-history rewrite of Billy/Josh/Buzz/Ed/Alan's pasts. 

How are we defining the term "storyline"?

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3 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

How are we defining the term "storyline"?

It's open and fluid; just use your personal judgement. 🙃

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I don’t think I got to see these in real time, it was probably years later but every time I see them, I can’t help but think, man, are these courtroom scenes compelling! It would have been nice to do one of those reunion livestreams where both Maeve and Melissa talk about what was going on in and behind the scenes on the days these scenes were filmed!

I had not seen them since they aired! I've really always considered myself more of an ATWT fan, and I while I remembered the broadstrokes of what went on, I had forgotten so many of the details. And some of the early 80's stuff I'd never, ever seen because I was in school. God bless utube.

I'd listen to any of them talk about anything from back in the day. I was so sad we'll never get Lisa/Michael/Maeve talking about the early 80's. I'll have to check and see if they did one about Jerry verDorn. 

I liked the Dreaming Death story moreso now after the pandemic.  It involved the Cedars crew, killed off a contract character (Lesley Ann in a gothic way) and helped solidify the Jim/Hilary coupling after she almost succumbs to it.  

Infinity was interesting because it was an umbrella story that involved most of the cast.. and it led to death of Lujack.  I was hoping to see the fall out being Alexandra renewing a Lewis vs Spaulding feud.. but that story appeared to be dropped when Pam Long left as headwriter.

Also, I have to say the Susan Piper story had a lot of promise.. and the way she died in the quicksand pit was very memorable.

And I think Floyd as a killer might have worked if there was a bit more motivation written.   Given that he was kind of a born loser in the 1979/1980 so it would have made more sense if he accidently killed Andy Ferris, freaked out, and tried to cover it up instead of confessing.   That would have fit more with his character then him becoming obsessed with Beth and kidnapping India.

1 hour ago, vetsoapfan said:

It's open and fluid; just use your personal judgement. 🙃

yeah, just pretty much anything you can define. I've recently discovered I'm not fond of Fiona Hutchinson and her irritating accent, but that wasn't exactly a story. lol.

 

18 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I liked the Dreaming Death story moreso now after the pandemic.  It involved the Cedars crew, killed off a contract character (Lesley Ann in a gothic way) and helped solidify the Jim/Hilary coupling after she almost succumbs to it.  

Infinity was interesting because it was an umbrella story that involved most of the cast.. and it led to death of Lujack.  I was hoping to see the fall out being Alexandra renewing a Lewis vs Spaulding feud.. but that story appeared to be dropped when Pam Long left as headwriter.

Also, I have to say the Susan Piper story had a lot of promise.. and the way she died in the quicksand pit was very memorable.

And I think Floyd as a killer might have worked if there was a bit more motivation written.   Given that he was kind of a born loser in the 1979/1980 so it would have made more sense if he accidently killed Andy Ferris, freaked out, and tried to cover it up instead of confessing.   That would have fit more with his character then him becoming obsessed with Beth and kidnapping India.

Most stories at least have some promise to them--I know The Fishing Picture story gets hammered, but I give it points for being a huge umbrella story that didn't overly rewrite established history (Brandon had never been a huge character on the show, he's mostly the off-screen big bad that the Spauldings blamed for their dysfunction.) 

Obviously even when shows honored their history, they tweaked them. The way Henry talks about Brandon, you wonder why he ever considered them "friends". And somehow, I think Alexandra started out as Alan's older sister, but in the '89 stuff, Alan talks about protecting his younger sister from Brandon's rages.

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1 hour ago, P.J. said:

I had not seen them since they aired! I've really always considered myself more of an ATWT fan, and I while I remembered the broadstrokes of what went on, I had forgotten so many of the details. And some of the early 80's stuff I'd never, ever seen because I was in school. God bless utube.

I'd listen to any of them talk about anything from back in the day. I was so sad we'll never get Lisa/Michael/Maeve talking about the early 80's. I'll have to check and see if they did one about Jerry verDorn. 

Recently I re-read 2 interviews in one night. Tony Geary & Jerry verDorn. The juxtaposition was a huge part of my reaction. Geary's perspective was that his scripts should be nothing but dialogue & he would interpret everything else. Stage directions specifically offended him. verDorn said that if a director like Bruce S. Barry told you to move from here to there at this point you do not say (mocking) what is my motivation for the movement. No, it's your job. Move. Figure out in your own damn mind why.

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oops

 

11 hours ago, P.J. said:

LOL...Julie/Bridget could've been epic, had not there been a revolving door of Harts. JS was much more interesting as a tramp than the boring teen.

That could be. At the point I picked it up (which seemed to be right after Nick and Mindy's wedding), Vanessa didn't even know Ross was Bridget's lawyer. I skipped around a bit, and Vanessa was hyper-focused on the case. After the hearing, she was so pissed at Ross that refused to go to his wedding to Blake.

I don't mind that Vanessa and Dinah's relationship is so complicated. It lets Dinah avoid the trap that Reva's kids fell into (which is being "normal" after such a chaotic upbringing, ie terminally boring). And what's never quite expressed (at least from the spotty rewatching I've done) is that Vanessa sees the same self-destructiveness in Dinah that she herself had at that age.

It's just that they almost acted like '86-88 with Dinah didn't happen. Granted, Vanessa left at the beginning of '88. But Dinah had a lot of time with Ross, and when Vanessa returns to town in '89, she and Ross are in touch with Dinah and everything's good. But then in '94 Ross is blaming Vanessa for having a "almost non-existent" relationship with his kid. I also don't know if Dinah ever did, but if she'd thrown it in Vanessa's face that she was a better mother to Mindy and Dylan than her, that I could've understood. I just don't think Mindy and Dinah were in town at the same time other than '87.

LOL...yeah, Blake saw exactly what trouble Dinah was. It takes one to know one..

I don't know why Vanessa/Matt was more than a fling either. I don't see chemistry, but I know that's subjective. All I can think is that some of GL's pairings were low watt anyway (Ed/Eve, Nick/Mindy) and it was to move the plot along. 

The main reason was probably the intense response from their fans, although that didn't stop GL from still nixing other pairings. I wonder if JFP having to do that pairing (beyond Matt/Lucy I think some have said Josh/Vanessa was the plan) is why she immediately broke up an older woman/younger man pairing, Donna and Matt, in an ugly way, upon her arrival at AW.

In theory I don't have a problem with Dinah resenting Vanessa, there should have been good story, but Vanessa was rarely if ever given a fair chance to show her strength or point of view, and I just did not think Wendy Moniz was a strong or sympathetic enough actress for the inconsistent way Dinah was written. I don't think she found her footing until Rauch decided to make the character an outright bitch.

Mindy and Dinah were both in town for a few months in 1995, but I don't know if they ever interacted. By that point I'm not even sure how much time Mindy spent around Vanessa.

Beyond the other worst stories mentioned, I would include the Lonitrat fiasco with Roger/Dinah/Hart and the stories given to Griffen (nearly sleeping with his own daughter and then having himself shot for the cause). Such a horrible use of Geoffrey Ewing.

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12 hours ago, P.J. said:

I had not seen them since they aired! I've really always considered myself more of an ATWT fan, and I while I remembered the broadstrokes of what went on, I had forgotten so many of the details. And some of the early 80's stuff I'd never, ever seen because I was in school. God bless utube.

I'd listen to any of them talk about anything from back in the day. I was so sad we'll never get Lisa/Michael/Maeve talking about the early 80's. I'll have to check and see if they did one about Jerry verDorn. 

When Jerry verDorn was on those reunion specials, I am not sure they had clips. I would have loved to see he and Maeve and Melissa talk about the dynamics at work in those scenes. Sadly, I doubt those reunion streams have this. If you see something like this, please let me know. I would love to see it!

On 8/8/2024 at 9:02 PM, P.J. said:

I haven't rewatched the stuff with Abby. Eh, tbh, I wasn't a fan of the character. I do vaguely recall some intensity with Cynthia Watros, but then they moved her on to Josh. 

O'Leary could be good as the big brother, best friend, nice reliable guy, connector in town everyone feels comfortable with and that is what a show needs. He is not a romantic lead or a dramatic actor and while he has a humorous charm, the show needed to really pull him in (like Deas, Zimmer, Dusay, the show just let the actors lean into their worst instincts.) Of. course, back in the day I like Rick over Phillip (the intensity was too much..) but Long wrote for him (most of the time) to his strengths.  The Abby pairing was going to go nowhere..as she was just too nice (even Bert and Maureen had their time not being super nice...) I did wonder how Rick and Bridget would work...maybe Peter gets sick and he is the doctor and they grow close (bugging the crap out of Roger) and they have to bring Hart back for a blood transfusion or something...a better entrance then the one McTavish wrote for him. Both Rick and Frank needed a partner with a bit more of an edge or spark. 

On 8/11/2024 at 12:30 AM, P.J. said:

I had been avoiding the second half of '93, as it crushes my Billy/Vanessa heart, but I ventured into '94 to try and find the custody battle over Peter. HOLY SH#T. It gets intense between Ross and Vanessa, with both of them dragging Ed into the middle. (Or at the very least Vanessa, who goes there at one point and threatens to drag up Ed's affair with Lillian if Ross crucifies her on the stand) 

That's a little before this, which is Ross brutally questioning her at the hearing.  Oddly, the episode before this has that fake Vanessa again stepping in for Maeve (in what I swear is the same suit she wore in '92, when she single-handedly kills the momentum of Bill's running away). I suppose it was all a set up for bringing Dinah back, but damn.  

 

Wow this is good! This is an umbrella storyline that works...Bauers Chamberlains, Lewis, Reardons and Marlers all having a legitimate stake in this. If only Nola were back to take up Bridgets side.  Then of course, it's the Buzz Cooper fill in that takes the momentum out. 

I always thought Ross and Vanessa should have been end goal.  If only Matt and Blake had been the ones to screw.

ANYTHING Ellen Wheeler was involved in and Jill Lorie Hurst. They killed GL. Peapack???? What an embarrassment to daytime. Ending GL at Peapack was such a slap in the face to the legacy of the show. Thank GOD show killer Wheeler and Hurst never worked in daytime again.