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1 hour ago, Khan said:

IIRC, didn't Michael Dietz join the show as nuA-M right around the time of his and Lucy's wedding?  So, right there, you had two big strikes against the story: the ridiculousness of the wedding's locale, and the fact that it wasn't Rick Hearst playing A-M anymore.

Hearst was still playing AM. He mentioned how horrible the wedding was and how much he hated it during the reunion show with Satra.

38 minutes ago, Mitch said:

No Hurst was still playing AM for the wedding...Dietz first scenes...(and I remember this clearly) was later on with the ridiculous Alan vs. 5th Street and he (Alan) is trying to knock down a building and is arguing with Buzz and AM walks in and is so wooden..you can even almost see Zimmer kinda of laughing like.."What the hell are you going to do with this?" McTavish must have been wedded to the whole "Who is A Spaudling story" to keep AM and Lucy around after Hearst left as it was the perfect time to just right them off ala Phillp and Beth.  It took Dietz to show just how bad SS was and that RH was pulling all the weight.

Dietz was a horrible AM. I lost all interest in the character with him in the role.

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Rick Hearst and Sonia Satra gave their thoughts on that wedding on The Locker Room reunion livestream. Hearst was particularly outspoken on what he really thought of that wedding, lol.

Okay, I just saw that @soapsuds mentioned it. Rick's depiction of it was hilarious.

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19 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

I remember it was Dietz’s A-M who exposed Amanda as infamous Malibu Madam and his announcement was so underwhelming. Didn’t Phillip come back for A-M & Lucy’s wedding? I remember thinking him and a lonely Rick were going to dance together at the time lol.

Phillip was back..but in disguise...as Frankenstein's monster..yes, the wedding was THAT dumb!

 

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36 minutes ago, Mitch said:

Phillip was back..but in disguise...as Frankenstein's monster..yes, the wedding was THAT dumb!

 

 

Lol I saw that after I found clips of it on YT, it was lousy as I remembered. One saving grace from the clips I watched was Phillip was rather repulsed when he found out that Buzz was married to Reva lol although weirdly for all the talk of how long Phillip and Reva knew each other not once did Phillip even acknowledge Reva’s return from the dead. 

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Vicky Spaulding..what a wasted character. Why even bring her on?? I remember E & B in one of their endlessly dumb interviews saying that bringing back Alex was important to Vicky's story...and then Alex had one fight with Annie in the attic and disappeared and then so did Vicky. Also it was fun when Van got back to some bitchiness when she was pissed at Vicky..but also wasted opportunity.

 

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IMO, Vicky's story suffered from not having her mother (Alan and Alex's half-sister) there to act as a buffer of sorts between Vicky and the rest of the Spauldings.  If nothing else, we needed scenes of conflict between Victoria, who respects her half-siblings and does her best to keep peace between Brandon's two families, and Vicky, who resents her side of the family's status as Brandon's dirty little secret and fights for equality and legitimacy within the Spaulding empire.

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47 minutes ago, Mitch said:

Vicky Spaulding..what a wasted character. Why even bring her on?? I remember E & B in one of their endlessly dumb interviews saying that bringing back Alex was important to Vicky's story...and then Alex had one fight with Annie in the attic and disappeared and then so did Vicky.

 

I think someone said there were plans to expand the black Spaulding canvas but it was vetoed by P&G. I can't remember if that was at this time or in 1984. That whole period of GL, that whole last decade, was the epitome of lip service - bringing in tokens and not bothering to do more with them so they could say, "We tried." The only thing of consequence that any of this had was that Victoria Platt and Terrell Tilford are still married today. 

 

(it's sad, if not surprising, just how little use the show had for David by the time Monti Sharp left - he was stripped of any purpose or personality [can you really see Monti's David wanting to be a cop?])

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1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

I think someone said there were plans to expand the black Spaulding canvas but it was vetoed by P&G. I can't remember if that was at this time or in 1984.

 

I'm not sure about the late '90's, but, yep, P&G nixed Pam Long and Jeff Ryder's plans to expand the Spauldings via Brandon's Barbados family.  Ryder told me as much, via email.

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On 11/25/2020 at 5:24 PM, soapfan770 said:

I remember it was Dietz’s A-M who exposed Amanda as infamous Malibu Madam and his announcement was so underwhelming. Didn’t Phillip come back for A-M & Lucy’s wedding? I remember thinking him and a lonely Rick were going to dance together at the time lol.

 

I think they had Rick dancing by himself, which Michael O'Leary made fun of in an interview over how pathetic it was. 

 

I didn't actually mind the wedding, but I can see why the actors would think it was ludicrous. I remember this was the peak of the "Queenie" and Hawk comic relief saga, which was NOT true to Alex, but Marj Dusay managed to make fun. That period with Hawk was probably the first time I began to like her a little more as Alex, oddly enough. 

 

The last thing Rick Hearst did was some kind of mini-plane crash with Lucy and Alan-Michael, which I don't remember the point of. They also recreated flashbacks of Hearst's Alan-Michael and Philip with Alan-Michael styled like a preppy nightmare (tennis outfit and all) to try to retcon them as having a bad relationship at the time, which annoyed some fans as that wasn't the case.  

 

If Sonia had stayed they seemed to be trying to go for an Alan-Michael/Lucy/Zachary the angel triangle, but she must have told them she was going, as he moved over to Michelle.

 

I did like that she finally got a scene with Harley before she left. It really irritated me how she was dumped onto the show as a Harley replacement (I think in the very same episode Harley left), and it felt like Harley was erased from the family in those years. Harley's brief return was so well-written. Looking back, I kind of wish that had been the last time we saw her.

1 minute ago, Khan said:

I'm not sure about the late '90's, but, yep, P&G nixed Pam Long and Jeff Ryder's plans to expand the Spauldings via Brandon's Barbados family.  Ryder told me as much, via email.

 

Thanks. That must have been what I remembered. Considering the most GL could manage at that time was "Q,"  clearly that wasn't happening. I'm not sure why even as AW and ATWT tried to expand their black canvas in the mid/late '80s, GL would not until finally Gilly worked her way up from a bit part at the end of the decade.

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14 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think someone said there were plans to expand the black Spaulding canvas but it was vetoed by P&G.

 

I wish I could migrate this quote the ATWT thread because I definitely believe a similar dynamic occurred with the Franklin and Griffin families on ATWT. In later years, there was the appearance of what I refer to as "half-families" like Ben and Isaac, the appearance of Camille's mother but not a full set of family members. Really unfortunate.

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I hated how they though they could just replace Harley with Lucy. They also acted like H&M moved to the other side of the word. Is my memory correct in that they sent a letter to Frank saying they were going to live in Florida permanently? Or was there a phone call? I remember finding it odd (which leads me to think of was a letter) that that’s how they would communicate such huge news. Are we to believe they never come back for their stuff or to say goodbye (offscreen)? It was a dumb excuse to write them off with, IMO.

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4 hours ago, Khan said:

IMO, Vicky's story suffered from not having her mother (Alan and Alex's half-sister) there to act as a buffer of sorts between Vicky and the rest of the Spauldings.  If nothing else, we needed scenes of conflict between Victoria, who respects her half-siblings and does her best to keep peace between Brandon's two families, and Vicky, who resents her side of the family's status as Brandon's dirty little secret and fights for equality and legitimacy within the Spaulding empire.

That is what I wanted from Vicky...being annoyed that her side of the family was not given legitimacy and that Victoria gave up her claim to Spaulding..it might have gotten a bit edgy for P & G and GL at that time (especially with the stuck in the 80s vibe Rauch and MADD seemed to want from GL at the time) but interesting. I always wish they had brought Vicky back instead of Amanda during the McTavish time. She could have been angry that she felt Alex talked Victoria into a settlement and the whole Brandon is Amanda's daddy could have been that since Brandon was alive, all other trusts and wills were revoked and he had created a new will giving all of his assets in Spaulding to Victoria and then to Vickie. Alex and Victoria knew about it but when Victoria dies Roger finds the real will. Instead of a replay of Roger and Jenna Vickie would not trust Roger and as soon as she got it all she would only give him table scraps, making him work with Alan and Alex against her.

 

2 hours ago, Asb23 said:

Are we to believe they never come back for their stuff or to say goodbye (offscreen)? It was a dumb excuse to write them off with, IMO.

That was so stupid..why not just going into the wedding say Harley found a higher level job in Florida and they were moving there? And say, "Oh I have to get boxes together as Harley and Mallet are coming in this weekend to get their stuff. " As weekends seem to not exist in soap time.

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12 hours ago, Khan said:

IMO, Vicky's story suffered from not having her mother (Alan and Alex's half-sister) there to act as a buffer of sorts between Vicky and the rest of the Spauldings.  If nothing else, we needed scenes of conflict between Victoria, who respects her half-siblings and does her best to keep peace between Brandon's two families, and Vicky, who resents her side of the family's status as Brandon's dirty little secret and fights for equality and legitimacy within the Spaulding empire.

 

ITA. I was very excited when I read a SOD interview with Rauch where he talked about reintroducing the black Spauldings, plural. I thought it was a bad move to kill off the senior Victoria and send Vicky to Springfield on her own. The deep-rooted resentment had more than enough justification as is, it didn't need the "help" of her mother's death as motivation. I would've given Vicky a brother as well, hell, Terrell Tilford could've played him. He would've made for a better Spaulding than a David recast. I also resent that the show killed an opportunity to cast a marvelous biracial/black actress of a certain age to play Victoria, created by Kim Hamilton. (When Joan Collins started playing Alex, I had pipe dreams of Diahann Carroll or Shirley Bassey joining her as alive after all Victoria.)

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19 hours ago, SFK said:

 

ITA. I was very excited when I read a SOD interview with Rauch where he talked about reintroducing the black Spauldings, plural. I thought it was a bad move to kill off the senior Victoria and send Vicky to Springfield on her own. The deep-rooted resentment had more than enough justification as is, it didn't need the "help" of her mother's death as motivation. I would've given Vicky a brother as well, hell, Terrell Tilford could've played him. He would've made for a better Spaulding than a David recast. I also resent that the show killed an opportunity to cast a marvelous biracial/black actress of a certain age to play Victoria, created by Kim Hamilton. (When Joan Collins started playing Alex, I had pipe dreams of Diahann Carroll or Shirley Bassey joining her as alive after all Victoria.)

Oh my God..with Zimmer, Wright, Collins and Carrol of Bassey GL would be diva heaven...and hell for TPTB I am sure. I always thought it funny that Zimmer didn't have a scnene with Alex until Collins was gone and Marj was back.

 

I do think it would be cool to have a "star" play Victoria and no, she didn't need to die to give Vicky motivation. Her agreeing to let Alex have Spaulding would be enough..Vicky would think it was bending knee to the white relatives but for Victoria it was just not wanting to deal with the crazy ass relatives in SF. Come to think of it,  Perry's Madea as Victoria would get me turning in each day! "Cassie, someone needs to wrap your skinny ass around a lightpole..oh yea, you used to dance on those dont you..Alex..look at the cracker getting all snooty with us!"

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