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Search For Tomorrow Discussion Thread

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Was Robert Reed the final actor to play Lloyd? What year was Lloyd written off SFT permanently?

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30 minutes ago, TheyStartedOnSoaps said:

He was difficult behind the scenes of the Brady Bunch

Frankly, I don't blame him for being difficult. BB came along at a time when divorce was practically an epidemic in this country; yet, Sherwood Schwartz never wanted to explore the issues that blended families faced everyday. The scripts were pure junk.

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I think the biggest failing for Search was what CBS and P&G let happen to it in the immediate aftermath of the Corringtons leaving. From the CBS cancelation, it was just a matter of time. The show did need a lot of work during the NBC run but they did well to run for nearly 5 years. If not for Brian Frons it may have even run a little longer.

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Just now, DRW50 said:

I think the biggest failing for Search was what CBS and P&G let happen to it in the immediate aftermath of the Corringtons leaving. From the CBS cancelation, it was just a matter of time. The show did need a lot of work during the NBC run but they did well to run for nearly 5 years. If not for Brian Frons it may have even run a little longer.

I agree.

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30 minutes ago, Khan said:

It's interesting that the only time Robert Reed appeared to be at ease in front of the cameras was when he did "The Brady Bunch Variety Hour," lol.

Yes. The cast was shocked he signed on and enjoyed every minute of it even though he couldn't sing or dance all that well.

48 minutes ago, TheyStartedOnSoaps said:

Peter Haskell who originated the role was commuting from LA to NY to work on SFT. After a few years, he got tired of the grind and accepted a role on the LA based soap "Rituals" so he could be closer to his family. Joe Lambie, the next actor was reunited with his old "Edge of Night" producer Erwin Nicholson. When Nicholson left, I guess Joe decided to follow him out the door. In terms of Robert Reed, when you get older the parts are more limited. He didn't last long either, as I think he was written out after 13 weeks. He was difficult behind the scenes of the Brady Bunch, and I could see him being even more difficult on a soap, due to its fast pace.

Thanks for the info. I bet that Reed probably had a lot of things to say behind the scenes about doing SFT. He and Anita Gillette did a week of Super Password when they were on the show.

I noticed Kevin Conroy only lasted about year before joining the cast of Dynasty which his character was also short lived. Most people only know him as the voice of Batman and fangirl/fanboy all over that.

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I just wanted to add that Robert Gentry might have worked as a recast Travis when Arrants departed or maybe a cousin of Travis that Liza is paired with. Liza had chemistry with Kentucky, but the actor didn't want to sign on full time and it was short lived.

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2 hours ago, SoapDope78 said:

I just wanted to add that Robert Gentry might have worked as a recast Travis when Arrants departed or maybe a cousin of Travis that Liza is paired with. Liza had chemistry with Kentucky, but the actor didn't want to sign on full time and it was short lived.

Possibly, but Rod Arrants would have been difficult to replace -- and especially difficult when the Corringtons were no longer writing the show. Many of the characters created by the Corringtons had that back-story of Southern gothic stuff. And very few other writers in daytime would have understood how to continue that writing style. So with both a different actor and different head writers, I'm afraid most of Travis's identity would have been washed away by a recast. Just my opinion.

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14 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Possibly, but Rod Arrants would have been difficult to replace -- and especially difficult when the Corringtons were no longer writing the show. Many of the characters created by the Corringtons had that back-story of Southern gothic stuff. And very few other writers in daytime would have understood how to continue that writing style. So with both a different actor and different head writers, I'm afraid most of Travis's identity would have been washed away by a recast. Just my opinion.

Gentry may have worked as a cousin of Travis. I wonder if the Dobsons had not created SB and if they had continued working for P&G if they would have wound up at SFT at some point? They had a gothic style of writing GL in the late 70's. I'm surprised Doug Marland was not offered a crack at it before he was at ATWT in the mid 80's.

P&G really gave up on SFT. It also seems a lot of popular soap actors never found their way to a role on Search like they did GL, OLTL, AMC etc...

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Yes, Reed was the last actor to play Lloyd. Joe Lambie was playing the role when the Henderson flood happened in late February 1986. Reed replaced him in March/April. Reed was gone by June/July.

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14 hours ago, SoapDope78 said:

What head writer and executive producer do you think could have saved SFT from cancellation?

It would have been interesting if someone like Gloria Monty had been tapped for EP to save the show.

For Search for Tomorrow to survive, what the audience wanted and what the network thought they wanted would have need to match up, and I don't think it ever truly did. At times, the show was close to being a strong contender. What I have seen of the Joanna Lee / Gary Tomlin era, they were the closest to match audience and network expectations. If Lee had stayed, she would have had to stream down the cast size as her canvas was large (I believe in anticipation of an unlikely switch to an hour). She also would have needed to just focus on producing a decent show as her attempts to get eyes on the show (Cher/Michelle Phillips guest starring, the Live episode) wasn't as powerful as just well produced story that she and Tomlin were cultivating.

I can only imagine what Monty would have done to overhaul the show. If it was anything like her return to General Hospital, the show would have been better off dead. I do think that AI might produce a hilariously devastating vision of what that would look like.

In terms of new people, I would be interested in what someone like Jorn Winter or Jacquelyn Babbin might have done as producer possibly paired with Peggy O'Shea, Henry Sleasar, or even Barbara Morgenroth

14 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Sherry leaving was a blow, but because of all the cast changes around her, there wasn't anyone else to step into that role. She was a reminder of better times.

Only Marcia McCabe had any kind of longevity at that point and Sunny had yet to have a proper romance after years.

Had there been other established characters eg Laine, Renata etc, still around, Liza could have been rested for a while.

The revolving door of Lloyd Kendalls didn't help.

Reverting back to Liza as the sole female lead was foolish. When Lee and Tomlin were in charge, Liza and Travis were part of a larger ensemble and their main story revolved around Liza's desire to have children with the birth of Tourneur and then later with fostering Bilan (or whatever the baby's name was) and T.R. Tomlin / Barrett set up Hogan and Sunny well as the seconday couple until Forsythe's exit in the late summer of 1984. I don't think Sunny ever really recovers from that.

The show had two strong younger female leads, Lisa Peluso's Wendy and Terri Eoff's Suzi, but Paul Avila Mayer and Stephanie Braxton sent the characters into different story orbits (Wendy with Quinn & Sarah and Suzi off with domestic drama as a young wife in the emotionally complicated McCleary family). Even in these separate orbits, there stories were playing out within similar story spaces (the McCleary family) that could have and should have kept things interesting. People will probably disagree, but I probably would have returned Brian Emerson in the summer of 1985 as a romantic complication for Suzi and Cagney as well suspecting that Quinn was up to some underhanded things (like Warren Carter) which could have given him animosity with Wendy.

12 hours ago, Stevel said:

Didn't Jo one run for mayor of Henderson?

And my favourite soap opening theme of all time is the pipe organ version of this show.

Jo was on the town council for many years.

2 hours ago, Khan said:

IDK whether anyone could have saved SFT, but I do wish H. Wesley Kenney or Al Rabin (EP) and Pat Falken Smith (HW) had been given an opportunity.

I agree that it was unlikely that anyone would be able to save the show. How do you think Falken Smith would have done with Search for Tomorrow given how she did on Ryan's Hope? They aren't necessarily similar shows, but tonally very different from General Hospital and Days of our Lives. Falken Smith would probably have done very well with the Warren / Suzi / Wendy triangle if that had been going on at the time still. I also wonder how she would have done with Brian and Kristen or if she would have dumped them as well.

1 hour ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Perhaps the Corringtons could have returned after they left TEXAS. They seemed to have a good deal of success while they were head writers at SFT.

I think the Corringtons returning would have been wonderful, but I don't know if they would have written the type of show NBC was looking for in the mid 1980s. I do think they had a great understanding of what the show had been and had they arrived post-Gary Tomlin in 1984 I think they could have done some good work if they weren't stymied by Ellen Barrett.

50 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

Do you think Travis could have been re-cast successfully when Rod Arrants decided to leave ?

The story was well set up for Travis to return in 1985 before Sherry Mathis left by Jeanne Glynn. I believe Glynn was writing with Tomlin when the backstory between the Kendalls and the Tourneurs was explained involving a failed business deal involving airplane parts that I believe resulted in the death of soldiers during World War II, the bankruptcy of the Kendall clan, and the patriarch's (Lloyd's father) suicide. This, along with the fact that Lloyd had raised Martin Tourneur's son Steve as his own was fodder for a long running feud between both families.

Having Travis die saving TR, Kendall's lost daughter, only would have added to that complexity and having TR wanting an insta family with Lloyd and Liza after Travis' death would have been brewing conflict between Lloyd / Liza / Travis if Travis were to return from the dead. I don't think Sherry Mathis would have been thrilled, but I think Jerry Lanning would have been a very different Travis recast if he has suffered a lot during his missing year(s).

Sherry Mathis, Rod Arrants, and Peter Haskell playing all those parts would have been ideal, but most likely unfeasible.

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