Not so much self-flagellation...but more of a personal need to reconcile where I am now with where I was. Sorry to ruminate out loud.

You are far too conciliatory and people take advantage of that. You have nothing to apologize for.

I don't remember this kind of backlash from the fans when LML was writing, but maybe that was because the fans didn't care.

Nearly ALL - with a minor exception of possibly Deedee and MarkH - of us longtime viewers and boardmembers quit the show during LML's tenure. It was a brewing in the making and there was massive blackleash - and for the record the show was so much worse than Y&R currently... - for the first few months of 2007 and after the exit of La Rowell and even more ludicrous stories basically everyone felt the show so unrecognizable that he/she left by mid late out of a**es 2007. So did I.

I wasn't active on any of the boards at the time, so I didn't know. Thanks for clearing that up. I certainly hope the same will happen with this regime.

The questions then is - how much faith do we have that the next regime will do good? It's all going downhill for a long time now.

There will not be a next regime. I have a feeling Sony will ride or die with this "modern" one into the future, however long that is.

There will not be a next regime. I have a feeling Sony will ride or die with this "modern" one into the future, however long that is.

I wish I'd know for sure so I wouldn't even have the need to check from time to time to see if it's getting better. It's depressing, really.

You are far too conciliatory and people take advantage of that. You have nothing to apologize for.

Exactly. Since when is having patience and hope a crime. We hoped things would get better and they didn't. That's just the way it is, but I'm not sorry that I enjoyed the show up until the summer. There is nothing wrong with liking your show and there still isn't. There have been good moments over the last two weeks.

My personal intuition about MAB is that her particular sin is really just passivity, and a bad feeling for what plays well with Y&R's identity--for when she should slap her team members down. I really do attribute all this fanciful bullsh!t (doppelgangers and deaths) to HS/SH (note the palindrome...I suspect this is a sign that the devil is somehow involved ). But I do think that Sony and CBS offer "notes" and "mandates" that shape things at well. Here is where I feel MAB's passivity comes into play--I'm not sure she pushes back against Sony/CBS as much as she would need to to preserve Y&R. Bill Bell legendarily pushed back. MAB--not so much.

MAB is rather like Ralph Lauren -- he is a "designer" who does not design. He cannot draw, and does not sew or cut cloth. Rather, he gets his minions on the design team to come up with a few drawings for, say, Autumn 2010, and he picks the ones he likes. Or he tweaks a few and suggests another waspy navy blazer here, another suede fringing detail there. RL is more a retail administrator, a creative director. He knows what the RL style represents and four times a year, his designers come up with some variation on the theme.

MAB is SL administrator at Y&R in the same vein. Bring me your stories! What have you got for me today? Unfortunately, while I thought she had a tight hold over what it means to produce a Bell soap, she seems to have let the talk of her being the "saviour" of Y&R and "Obama of Daytime" (!) go to her head. And so she is letting in any old plot point that she seems to think will be "fun," will "push the envelope." Gee, wouldn't it be cool if we had Adam dress up as Sabrina, causing Ashley to miscarry all over the stairs? Sure Hogan. Let's go with that.

I despise Bob Guza but at least if you were to get the hack to pen a week's worth of episodes, he would be able to do it. Be able to write all the dialogue and delineate a certain number of scenes for each act, and bring each script to a 37-minute running time without much need for breakdowns. MAB? I don't think so.

LOL!!! I don't think there's any need for this self-flagellation. I liked a lot of episodes back in the spring myself. Doesn't mean I should beat myself up for it. The overall arc of the show was a mess, but there were episodes I enjoyed and episodes I thought were crap. I think Colleen's death was a bad move, but there were beats within the episodes I found realistic and very moving. Doesn't mean I don't think the story was a mistake.

That's very well put. Y&R at this point lately is like a REALLY ugly boyfriend with a nasty personality and a 10 inch dick. All you can do is put a gag in his mouth, a bag over his head, and enjoy what parts you can.

MAB is rather like Ralph Lauren -- he is a "designer" who does not design. He cannot draw, and does not sew or cut cloth. Rather, he gets his minions on the design team to come up with a few drawings for, say, Autumn 2010, and he picks the ones he likes. Or he tweaks a few and suggests another waspy navy blazer here, another suede fringing detail there. RL is more a retail administrator, a creative director. He knows what the RL style represents and four times a year, his designers come up with some variation on the theme.

MAB is SL administrator at Y&R in the same vein. Bring me your stories! What have you got for me today? Unfortunately, while I thought she had a tight hold over what it means to produce a Bell soap, she seems to have let the talk of her being the "saviour" of Y&R and "Obama of Daytime" (!) go to her head. And so she is letting in any old plot point that she seems to think will be "fun," will "push the envelope." Gee, wouldn't it be cool if we had Adam dress up as Sabrina, causing Ashley to miscarry all over the stairs? Sure Hogan. Let's go with that.

I despise Bob Guza but at least if you were to get the hack to pen a week's worth of episodes, he would be able to do it. Be able to write all the dialogue and delineate a certain number of scenes for each act, and bring each script to a 37-minute running time without much need for breakdowns. MAB? I don't think so.

Fascinating post.

MAB is rather like Ralph Lauren -- he is a "designer" who does not design. He cannot draw, and does not sew or cut cloth. Rather, he gets his minions on the design team to come up with a few drawings for, say, Autumn 2010, and he picks the ones he likes. Or he tweaks a few and suggests another waspy navy blazer here, another suede fringing detail there. RL is more a retail administrator, a creative director. He knows what the RL style represents and four times a year, his designers come up with some variation on the theme.

MAB is SL administrator at Y&R in the same vein. Bring me your stories! What have you got for me today? Unfortunately, while I thought she had a tight hold over what it means to produce a Bell soap, she seems to have let the talk of her being the "saviour" of Y&R and "Obama of Daytime" (!) go to her head. And so she is letting in any old plot point that she seems to think will be "fun," will "push the envelope." Gee, wouldn't it be cool if we had Adam dress up as Sabrina, causing Ashley to miscarry all over the stairs? Sure Hogan. Let's go with that.

I despise Bob Guza but at least if you were to get the hack to pen a week's worth of episodes, he would be able to do it. Be able to write all the dialogue and delineate a certain number of scenes for each act, and bring each script to a 37-minute running time without much need for breakdowns. MAB? I don't think so.

This sounds about right...

That's very well put. Y&R at this point lately is like a REALLY ugly boyfriend with a nasty personality and a 10 inch dick. All you can do is put a gag in his mouth, a bag over his head, and enjoy what parts you can.

Ummm....Well...I'm not sure that's exactly what Y&R is like.

Nearly ALL - with a minor exception of possibly Deedee and MarkH - of us longtime viewers and boardmembers quit the show during LML's tenure. It was a brewing in the making and there was massive blackleash - and for the record the show was so much worse than Y&R currently... - for the first few months of 2007 and after the exit of La Rowell and even more ludicrous stories basically everyone felt the show so unrecognizable that he/she left by mid late out of a**es 2007. So did I.

Yep! lol

There will not be a next regime. I have a feeling Sony will ride or die with this "modern" one into the future, however long that is.

They will.

As long as Maria keeps the ratings up she's going nowhere.

Has anyone seen caramia?

Gone since a month ago. I wouldn't blame her for leaving, it's not as if Y&R has given us any other topic to discuss besides disgust.

MAB is rather like Ralph Lauren -- he is a "designer" who does not design. He cannot draw, and does not sew or cut cloth. Rather, he gets his minions on the design team to come up with a few drawings for, say, Autumn 2010, and he picks the ones he likes. Or he tweaks a few and suggests another waspy navy blazer here, another suede fringing detail there. RL is more a retail administrator, a creative director. He knows what the RL style represents and four times a year, his designers come up with some variation on the theme.

MAB is SL administrator at Y&R in the same vein. Bring me your stories! What have you got for me today? Unfortunately, while I thought she had a tight hold over what it means to produce a Bell soap, she seems to have let the talk of her being the "saviour" of Y&R and "Obama of Daytime" (!) go to her head. And so she is letting in any old plot point that she seems to think will be "fun," will "push the envelope." Gee, wouldn't it be cool if we had Adam dress up as Sabrina, causing Ashley to miscarry all over the stairs? Sure Hogan. Let's go with that.

I despise Bob Guza but at least if you were to get the hack to pen a week's worth of episodes, he would be able to do it. Be able to write all the dialogue and delineate a certain number of scenes for each act, and bring each script to a 37-minute running time without much need for breakdowns. MAB? I don't think so.

Completely agreed.

And I do believe a regime change will make a difference, it might not be what some are looking for, but I want to believe someone tried to save this show in its final years by bringing in better behind the scenes talent. As other pointed out, what's apparent on Y&R now was apparent on Sheffer's DAYS and ATWT, Hamner's PC, and Maria's solo run. Maybe if we got a solo HW, things would be less chaotic and more stable.

The next regime might not be successful, but I can almost guarantee their "vision" for the show, if the right people are hired, will be different from this horrendous one going on now.