Maybe Jack like it very dirty?

But whatever, this storyline is lame, and again, how are we supposed to care about this character when she's so cartoon-like and doing all these things at once? Meh, ruined character.

This writing regime doesn't do character writing, so you know her "redeeming" phase will be rushed and poorly handled. Hell, I think she needs to be sent to psych hospital for a few years off-screen after the way she's been acting.

Man, we need to restore your sense of humor, A. Smile.

I can't smile in regards to this show, it's just so bad and is apparently only getting worse. Everything I hate is being played out on it.

I will smile when this writing regime that doesn't understand this show is fired.

Sheffer is repeating bad ATWT stories again! On ATWT, he had another Jack, who was in his mind a weak man, like Y&R's Jack, kidnapped and raped by a woman who was psycho over him. And he had his big hero on the show, Craig, find Jack later on, rescue him from death, and then laugh about how weak Jack was.

This story was played for chuckles. I doubt Y&R will do this as comedy but with Sheffer you never know.

This is the sickest, laziest writer in all of daytime. I'm just amazed that a show which is supposed to be the crown jewel of soapdom is letting him happily recycle all of his worst filth.

Exactly, I agree.

I don't know how much we're supposed to blame network interference or falling ratings or whatever, when we've observed two unpopular plot twists that were recycled by Sheffer on this show...

And Maria Arena Bell just lets this crap play out on her show. These people are so out of touch with a great deal of their audience and just don't get our show.

And the last part of your post is so true...

Edited July 28, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Gotta love how this show seems to love sexual assaults these days.

And you know none of the aggressors will pay for what they've done.

This show makes me sick, and I'm only watching because I do really love this show. I just don't recognize what it is anymore.

Again, here's hoping for a new and more competent writing and producing regime coming in soon!

Edited July 28, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I can see how the pitch went:

Hogan: I have this great, fresh idea: let's have Mary Jane rape Jack by tying him in bondage and feeding him Liquid Viagra so she can get pregnant with his baby.

Maria: Great Idea! The fans have been complaining about the lack of strong females on the show. I say we turn the tables! And of course, we can't leave out Nelson Branco and our other gay audience members. Let's show Mary Jane with a leather cockring given to her by Adam, so we can put some more stale gay innuendo into Y&R. Our audience will LOVE that.

Scott:(placing his Variety on the table) So, when can we plan my "Who Double Murdered Mary Jane and Adam" with the nonsensical Romeo and Juliet double suicide twist at the end of the trial?

Maria: I told you, we're holding off on that until November Sweeps. We need to pingpong Nick between Phyllis and Sharon as much as possible. I learned that from across the hall. By the way, again, great idea. It's so Henry Slesar!

Hogan: Who's that?

Maria: Some mystery writer behind this soap...I read about him on Soap Opera Network. Didn't he write Search for Tomorrow?

Scott: Soap Opera Network...You mean the SOAPnet message boards?

Maria: Yeah, I think that's who runs it. But avoid the Potpourri thread. It's hard to take that thread seriously when there are over a thousand posts and most of them are made by the same guy. You know? He must be some Barbara Bloom loving loon. Anyway, run along, draft those ideas and pass them to the Breakdown Writers. And be sure to tell them to pile more history references in than ever before. For the next three hours, I don't want to be bothered. I'll be too busy watching Lifetime Movie Network in an attempt to come up with more ways for our female characters to be victimized. I got the Ashley idea from The Hand That Rocks The Cradle. And I'm going to read my Vanity Fair and Vogue and figure out my next Restless Style idea.

Scott: Nice pancho, by the way Maria.

Maria: Oh thanks. It's actually a tablecloth I picked up from Nordstrom. I had one of the costume designers here put her own spin on it. But the girl working there, Marina, was a total bitch. Wonder why?

Edited July 28, 200916 yr by bellcurve

^^^^^^^^^^

bellcurve = Love.

Edited July 28, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I can see how the pitch went:

Hogan: I have this great, fresh idea: let's have Mary Jane rape Jack by tying him in bondage and feeding him Liquid Viagra so she can get pregnant with his baby.

Maria: Great Idea! The fans have been complaining about the lack of strong females on the show. I say we turn the tables! And of course, we can't leave out Nelson Branco and our other gay audience members. Let's show Mary Jane with a leather cockring given to her by Adam, so we can put some more stale gay innuendo into Y&R. Our audience will LOVE that.

Scott:(placing his Variety on the table) So, when can we plan my "Who Double Murdered Mary Jane and Adam" with the nonsensical Romeo and Juliet double suicide twist at the end of the trial?

Maria: I told you, we're holding off on that until November Sweeps. We need to pingpong Nick between Phyllis and Sharon as much as possible. I learned that from across the hall. By the way, again, great idea. It's so Henry Slesar!

Hogan: Who's that?

Maria: Some mystery writer behind this soap...I read about it on Soap Opera Network?

Scott: The SOAPnet message boards?

Maria: Yeah, I think that's who runs it. But avoid the Potpourri thread. It's hard to take that thread seriously when there are over a thousand posts and most of them are made by the same guy. You know? He must be some Barbara Bloom loving loon. Anyway, run along, draft those ideas and pass them to the Breakdown Writers. And be sure to tell them to pile more history references in than ever before. For the next three hours, I don't want to be bothered. I'll be too busy watching Lifetime Movie Network in an attempt to come up with more ways for our female characters to be victimized. I got the Ashley idea from The Hand That Rocks The Cradle. And I'm going to read my Vanity Fair and Vogue and figure out my next Restless Style idea.

Scott: Nice pancho, by the way Maria.

Maria: Oh thanks. It's actually a tablecloth I picked up from Nordstrom. I had one of the costume designers here put her own spin on it. But the girl working there, Marina, was a total bitch. Wonder why?

:lol:

I knew those writers were brilliant!

Maria: Oh thanks. It's actually a tablecloth I picked up from Nordstrom. I had one of the costume designers here put her own spin on it. But the girl working there, Marina, was a total bitch. Wonder why?

OUTSTANDING!!! :D

These writers seriously piss me off.

Instead of modernizing this medium and telling stories in a gripping, but not-so-typical way, Maria is hellbent on telling cliche, recycled stories that offend every single viewer and type of viewer who watches the show. If Maria doesn't want to do something fresh and different while hanging on Y&R's classic and beautiful identity, then she should just f^cking quit and convince the suits there to give the show to someone who can incite controversy, provoke thought, and wrap it up in the style of soap we all love and which we can identify.

This is NOT a modern day Bill Bell Y&R. This is a sick, boring, and arrogant re-tell of fast food stories and parody cliché.

I mean, I bet they all think what they are doing over there is so [!@#$%^&*] brilliant. Instead of challenging themselves and figuring out a way to increase their domination, they are happy with the status quo and want to feed more unimaginative bullshit to their audience because they think they're too dumb to change the channel or figure out the game they're playing.

F#ck them.

I love the part with Scott Hamner. Who knows what he actually contributes to the show.

These writers seriously piss me off.

Instead of modernizing this medium and telling stories in a gripping, but not-so-typical way, Maria is hellbent on telling cliche, recycled stories that offend every single viewer and type of viewer who watches the show. If Maria doesn't want to do something fresh and different while hanging on Y&R's classic and beautiful identity, then she should just f^cking quit and convince the suits there to give the show to someone who can incite controversy, provoke thought, and wrap it up in the style of soap we all love and which we can identify.

This is NOT a modern day Bill Bell Y&R. This is a sick, boring, and arrogant re-tell of fast food stories and parody cliché.

I mean, I bet they all think what they are doing over there is so [!@#$%^&*] brilliant. Instead of challenging themselves and figuring out a way to increase their domination, they are happy with the status quo and want to feed more unimaginative bullshit to their audience because they think they're too dumb to change the channel or figure out the game they're playing.

F#ck them.

Exactly! WORD TO EVERYTHING!

I mean, I bet they all think what they are doing over there is so [!@#$%^&*] brilliant.

I don't think anybody over there is thinking that.

I don't think anybody over there is thinking that.

So Y&R wants to tell cliché, fast-food stories?

And if no one thinks they're brilliant, then why aren't they at least making some sort of attempt to BE brilliant instead of throwing in the towel?

And I refuse to believe this "Carlivati Honeymoon Period" theory.

I was over at DC and Jamey Giddens and other people were arguing over the Amber/Deacon story and whether it was rape, whether they were just a hot pair of grifters, on and on.

This type of story sucks any soul out of a show and out of fandom. DC is the big pro-Y&R place so to see them torn over this story is interesting. I really do believe Y&R saw this as hot, and don't plan to make this about rape.

THANK YOU!

Thank you to all the people in this thread who have enough energy to put into words their utter disgust with the way Y&R has been written and played out for quite awhile now. If I didn't have so many other things going on personally I'd be posting about my dissatisfaction a lot more often. I miss the days of strong men and women on Y&R, when they could go toe to toe with each other and neither side had to be mentally impaired. I mean we've always had a cuckoo or two but in the past they were balanced out with people who had common sense and could put two and two together.

I hate it when shows I used to love to watch become a chore.....