Cara mia... My main issue with Neilsen, is that I, and most media outlets, feel their numbers are too LOW, they always end up underreporting.... but until the converter box coupon program, we never had real, SOLID proof. Someone mentioned the digital transition may have played a part in the ratings dip, and that is VERY likely as well, my opinion it's a combination of the streaming increase and digital transition:

DTV arrives but transition continues

Jun 18, 2009 1:41 PM, By Phil Kurz

Broadcast Engineering

Quote:

"Many viewers too have had to address a range of issues to continue receiving over-the-air TV. In fact, the first post-transition tally from Nielsen of OTA television viewers that cannot receive a digital signal shows 2.5 million U.S. households have lost coverage"

I just don't see any viewer dissatisfaction playing a HUGE part in any ratings dip (Small part, maybe) I have looked over the boards, and I don't see large scale viewer revolt. I see alot of viewers reviling PARTS of the show, but I see a ton of praise for other parts. To me, Y&R right now is like a big, shiny red apple with a big bruise on the side. The rest of teh apple is still good, and I'm not going to throw the whole apple away, I'll just eat the good part. It looks as if the next two weeks is going to be VERY Chancellor heavy, which can only do good for the ratings. I remember on the boards at the end of LML's run, people were ready to go after her with torches.

Edited June 21, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

I'm really hoping this SON experiment works (although the skeptic in me isn't so sure). I can't wait to talk about the good AND the bad within each episode, in terms of acting, writing and directing, without constantly having to defend ourselves or make mass generalizations about the entire year and entire storylines before they've even played out on the air. Thanks for doing this, Toups. I know I'll definitely make an effort. Fingers crossed!

I'm really hoping this SON experiment works (although the skeptic in me isn't so sure). I can't wait to talk about the good AND the bad within each episode, in terms of acting, writing and directing, without constantly having to defend ourselves or make mass generalizations about the entire year and entire storylines before they've even played out on the air. Thanks for doing this, Toups. I know I'll definitely make an effort. Fingers crossed!

No problem, man. My fingers are crossed too. LOL

Spoiler tags to be removed after Monday's show

does Blood really keep for months/years in a regular freezer? I would think that biological tissue, just like any cut of meat would spoil and rot if kept in the fridge for that length of time, and that the cell structure would change after being kept in a regular freezer. At least when Diane was doing her sperm crap, she got a real medical freezer. And it would be logical that Assley would have one in the Jabot Chem lab.

Dear Jesus. I'm afraid to know why this info would be relevant to Y&R.

I'm really hoping this SON experiment works (although the skeptic in me isn't so sure). I can't wait to talk about the good AND the bad within each episode, in terms of acting, writing and directing, without constantly having to defend ourselves or make mass generalizations about the entire year and entire storylines before they've even played out on the air. Thanks for doing this, Toups. I know I'll definitely make an effort. Fingers crossed!

No problem, man. My fingers are crossed too. LOL

It's like the "new millenium" panic of Jan 1, 2000...or the switch to DTV. Will the world still be standing after the launch of Monday's episode??? What will the new world look like??

LOL! I get all excited that there will be 2 threads for the folks that like to discuss episodes, and the folks who hate the show and want everyone fired - but fired up crew is just posting the same hate on both threads. Gee whiz! I hope everyone understrstands why people would like to have 2 threads and respect it.

-When did Nikki get over-the-shoulder boulder holders?

- All Victor needs to do to rat Adam out is take the laptop to a geek like Kevin or a forensic computer expert. Where's the application for the hidden cameras? I don't think Victor is very computer savvy.

- I'm sort of bummed that Chloe still seems hung up on Billy. After the ring toss, I thouht she was totally done.

- I REALLY wish I hadn't read those spoilers about MJ/Nick/Phyllis/Summer and Sharon's crazy decision. I REALLY hope SC sells this.

- i have taken the liberty of making a squishy name for Patty and Cane - Pane!! I'm SO excited for them and SO hope they become a couple.

I actually had quite a chuckle with Victor at Adam's computer pretending he knew what we was doing..

I totally forgot to write in last week's thread, that I could DEF. be down for an MJ and Cane hook up. DG just looks a lot more suited to be around the actors/actresses in his actual age range, than an teenager.

I actually had quite a chuckle with Victor at Adam's computer pretending he knew what we was doing..

I totally forgot to write in last week's thread, that I could DEF. be down for an MJ and Cane hook up. DG just looks a lot more suited to be around the actors/actresses in his actual age range, than an teenager.

Yup on both scores. MJ/Cane looked and felt right, in that brief scene. They connected as tortured souls.

And, in regard to TGVN, he'd have sent that computer to Bill Gates personally -- or flown BG IN -- and you know it! "The world's biggest experts" is what he always uses.

Yup on both scores. MJ/Cane looked and felt right, in that brief scene. They connected as tortured souls.

And, in regard to TGVN, he'd have sent that computer to Bill Gates personally -- or flown BG IN -- and you know it! "The world's biggest experts" is what he always uses.

Given Victor's resources Ashley should never be alone and there should be cameras and guards on Adam 24/7.

Given Victor's resources Ashley should never be alone and there should be cameras and guards on Adam 24/7.

Yup. That's a huge plot hole. When Victor imprisoned Michael Scott in the basement dungeon, he had cameras installed over the whole house, so Michael was forced to watch TGVN's every move (like having sex with Julia that Michael had to watch).

So, if Victor mistrusted Adam, that's EXACTLY what he'd do. High security, Ashley monitored, cameras everywhere...hell, some of the same bugging technology that Adam is using.

One concern about this story is that Victor has been rendered a bit stupid by being the victim of this plotting. I think we're supposed to think that Victor is giving a little benefit of the doubt [ a ] to his son, and [ b ] to a blind man. But, really, TGVN trust NO ONE and he ALWAYS calls on experts. The absence of these two elements really undermines the story.

Adam has to be SMARTER than Victor for this plotting to succeed, but that doesn't mean Victor has to be stupid.

ETA: I keep wondering if TGVN is off his epilepsy meds. They could establish that as an excuse for his stupidity

Edited June 21, 200916 yr by MarkH

Who is doing the wardrobe on the show these days? About 6 months ago I couldn't get over how great these women were dressed and how they were looking like the socialites they supposedly are. Now they look like they are picking this ill fitting crap out of dumpsters. Jill looks like she's returning to the clown outfit stage she got out of 10 years ago. Chloe is supposed to be a stylist and yet she is looking like she belongs in a trailer with these shirts that leave her bustier hanging out all over. Even with budget cuts, a talented costumer should be able to make some good tasting lemonade out of these lemons.

I'm not an expert on this, I don't really pay attention to these details. But I noticed Chloe's skimpy clothes this week and let me say I find her very attractive and sexy.

Speaking of Chole's wardrobe.... I think it was Wednesday, did my eyes decieve me, or was she wearing a quasi-flashdance top over hotpants? Yes, Badzoe... the wardrobe is atrocious. Jeanne Cooper looks GREAT, but I understand those are HER clothes, or she at least has them made special for her. We all know now why Dickson wore all her own clothes, and put it in her contract. Back int eh 70's, the women's clothes were provided by Giorgio's of Beverly Hills, and Kay and the Brooks girls looked great, I don't know WHERE they get their clothes from now. I guess they FINALLY ditched Jill's fake lynx coat that they bought for Dickson in 1983. Jess wore that a couple times about 3 or 4 years ago, and DAMN, it looked like a wet, dirty, St. Bernard!

Melody Thomas Scott gets to pick her own wardrobe too, and have you seen Mel's fashion choices outside of the show? It's no wonder Nikki is dressed the way she is. I also hear Mel has the biggest wardrobe of anyone on the show.

Edited June 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Melody Thomas Scott gets to pick her own wardrobe too, and have you seen Mel's fashion choices outside of the show? It's no wonder Nikki is dresses the way she is. I also hear Mel has the biggest wardrobe of anyone on the show.

Really?

She picks that sh!t??

Like the bathrobe she wore Friday. Really??

Melody Thomas Scott gets to pick her own wardrobe too, and have you seen Mel's fashion choices outside of the show? It's no wonder Nikki is dresses the way she is. I also hear Mel has the biggest wardrobe of anyone on the show.

As it should be.

Really?

She picks that sh!t??

Like the bathrobe she wore Friday. Really??

Apparently. But damn, someone needs to edit what she has to choose from.