Yeah, but they did mention that she was hired last summer to fill in Miguel's duties...

Okay... but she could have been working for him as a servant, and was promoted (hired in a different spot).... but never mind, it's not that important. It's not like that Victor's vasectomy thing we had last year.

Okay... but she could have been working for him as a servant, and was promoted (hired in a different spot).... but never mind, it's not that important. It's not like that Victor's vasectomy thing we had last year.

There was never any mention last summer that she was promoted. In fact, I believe they mentioned that she was new and was going to be handling the domestic duties at the Ranch.

It doesn't matter, but they're trying to sell us on her years of service and her close relationship with Nikki, which isn't true. They're retconning all of this stuff to try to make this gaslighting work. It's purely for plot purposes.

Maybe she'll get the acting bug again and move to LA and come back full time?

Hopefully!

There was never any mention last summer that she was promoted. In fact, I believe they mentioned that she was new and was going to be handling the domestic duties at the Ranch.

It doesn't matter, but they're trying to sell us on her years of service and her close relationship with Nikki, which isn't true. They're retconning all of this stuff to try to make this gaslighting work. It's purely for plot purposes.

Exactly.

There was never any mention last summer that she was promoted. In fact, I believe they mentioned that she was new and was going to be handling the domestic duties at the Ranch.

It doesn't matter, but they're trying to sell us on her years of service and her close relationship with Nikki, which isn't true. They're retconning all of this stuff to try to make this gaslighting work. It's purely for plot purposes.

Well, that's obvious.

I just don't know what's the purpose of retconning such a useless character.

I just don't know what's the purpose of retconning such a useless character.

Because they're dumbing down all the characters in this storyline. They want Ashley and Victor to think Estella is a prime suspect in this gasligthing so that it isn't obvious that Adam is the one behind it. It's to prolong plot and have Nikki back in Victor's orbit, if only for just this episode. Everyone has lost their intelligence in this storyline.

This gashlighting storyline isn't working anymore. As in all the cases with this writing regime, storylines that start off promising end up horribly plotted and go on too long to the point where they make very little sense anymore.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Why the hell is everyone talking about how they've known Estella for YEARS and that everyone knows what a strong and credible person she is? Um, Estella's only been on for a year, and rarely given any airtime. Why the hell are they forcing this lie on us? Nikki, Victor, and Ashley DO NOT know this woman, and we've barely seen them interact with her.

I'm not buying Daniel Goddard acting choices, his guilted sorrow act is atrocious. Horrible actor that needs to be shown the door already.

LAME as usual = Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So, um, they show a flashback from Phillip III's death, and then at the end of the episode show his coffin empty? Um, ok, whatever....

This Phillip III return from the dead is plot driven and ridiculous. Thank goodness they brought Tricia Cast back, or else it would be totally unwatchable. How are they going to explain someone the audience saw die and buried being missing from his coffin?

Oh, and there was never any mention of Adam getting those eye injection tools from Dr. Taylor, even when he came to visit the ranch the first time. Now, suddenly, Dr. Taylor knows what Adam is talking about over the phone?

This show is plot, plot, plot with no substance at all.

Don't watch watch watch watch watch watch...dear Alvin ....haha

Victor was hilarious today. When Adam walked in and asked what he was doing in Adam's room. Victor didn't even deign to answer him until he was good and ready.

I know, Victor treats him like an ant that hasn't yet crawled on his shoe. But wasn't Paul a DREAM today. What a character... Sweet, sensitive, caring, strong, selfless, good looking, and hung like a horse. What more could one ask for? When he had his arm around Nina and caringly told her... "I can do this for you". I wanted to cry.

I know, Victor treats him like an ant that hasn't yet crawled on his shoe. But wasn't Paul a DREAM today. What a character... Sweet, sensitive, caring, strong, selfless, good looking, and hung like a horse. What more could one ask for? When he had his arm around Nina and caringly told her... "I can do this for you". I wanted to cry.

:lol:

But of course, some will overlook these plot driven details and probably make excuses for why we're being led to believe Estella has years of history on this show.

IM sorry but.. really?

its [!@#$%^&*] estella, who the hell cares if its been a few years or a decade. samn damn thing.

Estella could have easily worked at the Newman ranch at the same time as Miguel, but in a different area.

Absolutely!!

All this Sturm und Drang about Estella!

Remember Veronica Landers? (Bill Bell's creation). Nikki hired her as the REPLACEMENT MAID.

WTF? What replacement maid? We've only ever seen Miguel.

Suddenly, Miguel became the overseer of the staff, and there were maids we'd never seen before.

Okay. Then, after Kay Alden had that pitchfork dug into the b!tch, they never replaced the maid!!!

When Estella was introduced, it was as the concierge. The backstory said she'd been there for a while. Just like the frickin' maids that Bill Bell suddenly invented.

Why are we nitpicking at this device when MAB uses it, but Bill Bell did the same darn thing in 1998 or whenever???

I know, Victor treats him like an ant that hasn't yet crawled on his shoe. But wasn't Paul a DREAM today. What a character... Sweet, sensitive, caring, strong, selfless, good looking, and hung like a horse. What more could one ask for? When he had his arm around Nina and caringly told her... "I can do this for you". I wanted to cry.

I cannot, cannot, cannot wait to see this. Just as I cannot wait to see him comfort his mentally ill "Mary Jane".

Estella said she was new to the Ranch last summer, so it is a big deal when they try to pass off her alleged close bond with Nikki...

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Absolutely!!

All this Sturm und Drang about Estella!

Remember Veronica Landers? (Bill Bell's creation). Nikki hired her as the REPLACEMENT MAID.

WTF? What replacement maid? We've only ever seen Miguel.

Suddenly, Miguel became the overseer of the staff, and there were maids we'd never seen before.

Okay. Then, after Kay Alden had that pitchfork dug into the b!tch, they never replaced the maid!!!

When Estella was introduced, it was as the concierge. The backstory said she'd been there for a while. Just like the frickin' maids that Bill Bell suddenly invented.

Why are we nitpicking at this device when MAB uses it, but Bill Bell did the same darn thing in 1998 or whenever???

I cannot, cannot, cannot wait to see this. Just as I cannot wait to see him comfort his mentally ill "Mary Jane".

Thank you, Mark.. for pointing out Veronica. We must believe that there is staff at the Newmans, Abbotts, and Chancellors that we never see, unless thke writers WANT US TO. I mean, form 1982-1984, you never saw the Abbott gardener until Brad came along. Are we to beleive that John or Jill went out there and cut their own grass? Kay used to have Jeff, her stable boy, come up to service her in 1974/75... we haven't seen a stable boy since, are we to believe an 80 year old woman saddles her own horse? Remember the episode where Victor fired the staff? There were at least 7 or 8 people in that room.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

Why are we nitpicking at this device when MAB uses it, but Bill Bell did the same darn thing in 1998 or whenever???

Maybe because Veronica Landers was actually interesting and we were never told to believe Nikki had developed years worth of a close friendship with her. Give me Landers over this gaslighting sh!t ANY DAY.

Oh, and Estella of course claiming she was new to the Ranch last summer...

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Oh, and Estella of course claiming she was new to the Ranch last summer...

Wasnt she new to the ranch, but came from NE?

Wasnt she new to the ranch, but came from NE?

No, when Victor fired her recently, he sent her to work elsewhere at NE, since he didn't fully believe Ashley's accusations.