I don't think Daniel has to be a comic relief character. He's been bogged down for years by poor stories but he has potential for far more. Jana should too. I think Bill Bell would have loved Jana and written major stories around her.

The one-sided writing for Jill/Kay is one of the reasons I couldn't be happy about undoing Kay as Jill's mother. More and more I think this was done only to put Mac and Billy back together. It hasn't made any difference in Jill's position on the show. I think we'll get more when they find out about Phillip but the dynamic with Kay was too frequently reduced to Jill yelling at Kay while Kay tried to be noble. At least this was lessened for the Cane/Lily wedding. The other story, the foolish story, I don't put on the unrelating, I put that on Y&R always needing to remind us of how brilliant Victor is supposed to be.

I think Mac is an obvious mistake who obscures the biggest mistake in Billy's character. He's a jerk we're asked to feel sorry for and want to root for, yet I don't think they have given fans a reason to care about him. All he has done since return is sleep around and screw up. Any relationships he's had have been trashed as he jumps from one new screwup to another, and now suddenly we're supposed to also care about how he's fated to be with Mac.

The dark tone to the stories, the poorly written or invisible motivations, the unsympathetic central characters, the pacing issues, the writing which is degrading to women, I think these have all been problems for a long time now, even before MAB, Rauch, and Sheffer, but the first big story they had (Nikki's breakdown, Jack and Adam forging the diary, Nick and Victoria returning to Victor's fold after a long period of very interesting estrangement between them and their father) was full of these problems for me, so I've always been cautious about just how much the show had improved.

I think it has improved and there are many different parts of the show which shine, but I also believe those who are now in charge of the show either don't know or know and resent the basic tenets of soap. That's one of the reasons I was disappointed they hired Hogan Sheffer, because I think this happens to every soap he writes for. I think if they get rid of him, and Hamner, and find a stronger co-writer who genuinely knows how to write for soaps, then progress will be made.

To quote Ruxton that doesn't sound lovey dovey!

I'm all for Cane being off the show, but if Cane is charged they'll probably have to charge Philip with conspiracy or as an accomplice.

Phillip can screw Cane over and he can sever all paths that link him to Cane.

It's better to let Cane slip out of town. Maybe his last scene can be Jill helping him go on the the run or something.

But why would Jill help the man who pretended to be her dead son and kept the fact that her real son was alive and out there from her?

I understand why this happened. He taped in March, and then was hidden until after the reveal. But they could have pretaped a little more material in March than we have seen.

Oh well, at least it seems the story is going to start moving. But I am very ambivalent about it. Not just how they will explain back from the dead, but I'm nervous we're heading into some kind of DILF scenario with Rafe.

Really???!! The thought of a DILF storyline with Rafe/Phillip is INCREDIBLY tantalizing to me. I know Rafe may LOOK young, but I think he's supposed to be in his mid twenties, and Phillip is supposed to be 36 or 7... that's not THAT big of a deal, especially when Beirdz LOOKS 35, EASY. I think we will see Gellman be "sexed up" alot more, those tight jeans he wore in the last eppy he appeared in I think are a prelude of things to come.

I hope eventually they're going to give Rafe more of a personality of his own. Right now he's reminding of Matt on OLTL who was only there to be gay, then to be Coulson's toyboy.

With the Adam recast, Bierdz probably won't look that much older than Adam, will he?

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by CarlD2

BTW... who here noticed the size of Detective Gil's package today as he walked in the club? Him and Paul in the same room? A feast for at least EIGHT! It might be nice to lick on a ice cream cone of vanilla/chocloate swirl.

Carl, great idea -- P3 and NuAdam. NuAdam will have to be redeemed if he's to stay on canvas and maybe falling for P3 will be the key.

I think it has improved and there are many different parts of the show which shine, but I also believe those who are now in charge of the show either don't know or know and resent the basic tenets of soap. That's one of the reasons I was disappointed they hired Hogan Sheffer, because I think this happens to every soap he writes for. I think if they get rid of him, and Hamner, and find a stronger co-writer who genuinely knows how to write for soaps, then progress will be made.

The show reeks of Sheffer and Hamner's WORST attributes right now. MAB is a bland, boring, and uneventful storyteller, as we saw in her solo stint. It's really a bad combination, which has been showing as of late. MAB lets Sheffer and Hamner's ludicrous ideas get through, and for that I give her most of the blame.

I think if she had a more competent Co-HW, one that's really good and is a true storyteller, the show would be in better shape. I've said that she could keep her Co-EP credit and hand the show over to a real storyteller, one that can write a variety of soap stories and remain true to the characters and the show's identity.

But why would Jill help the man who pretended to be her dead son and kept the fact that her real son was alive and out there from her?

She wants his hawt secks!

To quote Ruxton that doesn't sound lovey dovey!

And as DeeeDee would say...Yup!

And as DeeeDee would say...Yup!

And as Ruxton Hills would say glad to hear ringleader!

And as Ruxton Hills would say glad to hear ringleader!

The DeeDee and Ruxton show?? I wonder if we could get GL's timeslot!??

God, this art storyline is embarrassingly bad. I laughed like hell when a gun was pulled on Daniel and when those carts, that were probably made out of cardboard fell on Amelia's character.

The only good thing about today's episode was Elizabeth Hendrickson's performance.

I wonder if we could get GL's timeslot!??

All we would need is aluminum cans.

and when those carts, that were probably made out of cardboard fell on Amelia's character.

I knew these recycle writers wasn't going to live up to the hype.

The only good thing is the finds of EH/Chloe & BM/Billy.

Cut his throat or was it his tongue Chloe he deserve it. Matter of fact cut his wee wee off while you at it.

Edited June 10, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat