Then she seemed to get her sanity back (at least on B&. Now she's CRAZY again. I think we needed to see why the relationship has such a hold over her and not just told that it does.

The problem is Jack Smith.

Ashley HAD moved beyond Victor.

TPTB are being EXTREMELY lazy & screwing Eileen in the process.

Ashley always takes back Victor back when he comes looking for her. She'll never learn, it's a dysfunctional and emotionally abusive realtionship, but it's a cycle that Ashley has never been able to break.

Yep.

I am taking about ED's performance.

Eileen's moved beyond Victor/Ashley.

Victor had more chemistry with Signy than Eileen.

she's just a minor plot point in it, and I hate it. This storyline is squarely about Adam and Victor. Ashley is playing a very thankless role in it. I'm not getting Ashley's point of view at all.

Ashley CAN'T have a point of view.

If she did TPTB would have to deal with Ashley on Ashley's terms.

The writing for women is atrocious on this show, and in daytime in general. You'd think with a female HW, we'd have some independent women. Instead, they're all weak and see men as the be all and end all of their happiness. The only exception is Katherine at this point.

The writing for women is atrocious on this show, and in daytime in general. You'd think with a female HW, we'd have some independent women. Instead, they're all weak and see men as the be all and end all of their happiness.

Amen!

The only exception is Katherine at this point.

And even she's ridiculously propped.

Am I the only one who remembers that some years, Y&R used to do terrific flashback eps for Memorial Day?

I remember one year Brenda Dickson's Jill came storming over to the mausoleum, and she and Kay revisited, via angry flashbacks, the chronology of their loathing. This would have been before her first departure.

I also remember one year with either Chris-Danny or Chris-Paul. The episode was a chronology of their love story.

I really would LOVE for these Memorial Day shows to be flashback shows.

Even if Murphy's toast was an IIC afterthought, I guess I'm glad it was inserted. I wondered about Rikaart, though. He is VERY against the current war, and I wondered how he'd react to that toast in honor of veterans. His Kevin was pensive and respectful, so I was glad he played that note.

Mark, this memorial day eppy WAS quite different form ones in the past. They usually were more solemn in tone, you most always had a scene of Kay in front of Phillip's gravestone, and usually there were flashbacks. Today was UNUSUAL in that thye dropped a bomb on a HOLIDAY (Jack finding out about Billy boinking Sharon) they have NEVER dropped a bomb on a holiday before. All my time growing up, my mother would miss Y&R on holidays cause she was cooking for get togethers or whatever... and she'd say.. "Oh it's a holiday, theyr'e not gonna do anything today." But boy have they changed their game plan! I think a scene with JILL at Phillips grave would have been appropriate and made it seem much more "classic Y&R".

Mark, this memorial day eppy WAS quite different form ones in the past. They usually were more solemn in tone, you most always had a scene of Kay in front of Phillip's gravestone, and usually there were flashbacks. Today was UNUSUAL in that thye dropped a bomb on a HOLIDAY (Jack finding out about Billy boinking Sharon) they have NEVER dropped a bomb on a holiday before. All my time growing up, my mother would miss Y&R on holidays cause she was cooking for get togethers or whatever... and she'd say.. "Oh it's a holiday, theyr'e not gonna do anything today." But boy have they changed their game plan! I think a scene with JILL at Phillips grave would have been appropriate and made it seem much more "classic Y&R".

Watch Tuesday's ep.

Watch Tuesday's ep.

You bet I will, Toups!! Just for a frame of reference.... here's a scene from memorial day 1987:

The Winter's used to be one of my favorite parts of this show. That has definitely changed.

Shirtless Kevin

Nick is a punk ass bitch! He just cannot tell the truth. I really need something unpleasant to happen to him. Maybe Victor screwing him over again or something.

Billy is a jackass, but I like him and Chloe together.

Loved how happy Noah was when he heard about the baby, but letting him think the kid is Jack's was kind of Maybe waiting until you know who the father is would have been a better plan Sharon.

CF continues to do better and is definitely looking better.

Poor Brenda. What a shame for her. I loved, just loved when they kept saying "Make sure you have all medication you may need."

:lol:

But again, it's a shame what has happened to her.

What exactly did happen? I don't understand why she isn't getting spousal support. That blog is pretty funny though. She is so out of touch with the world and has no idea that she's painting herself in a very unsympathetic way.

I think Brenda does come off a little nuts, but she's better off speaking unfiltered instead of trying to be more coherent or bland, because people can sense her true emotions. There seems to be a lot of pain and I think this draws people more into rooting for her. I also think the Internet/blog/Youtube era has been a boon to her because she just seems more alive this way, I think she works better in this medium than when I would just see her venting in old interviews.

Here's a new interview with Thom Bierdz. The writer is very thorough and Thom goes into detail about his life. There are some spoilers, and potential spoilers, although Thom says he knows little about what is going to happen.

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/gayslives/05-26-09

You bet I will, Toups!! Just for a frame of reference.... here's a scene from memorial day 1987:

Damn you are good!

The Winter's used to be one of my favorite parts of this show. That has definitely changed.

Shirtless Kevin

Nick is a punk ass bitch! He just cannot tell the truth. I really need something unpleasant to happen to him. Maybe Victor screwing him over again or something.

Billy is a jackass, but I like him and Chloe together.

Loved how happy Noah was when he heard about the baby, but letting him think the kid is Jack's was kind of Maybe waiting until you know who the father is would have been a better plan Sharon.

CF continues to do better and is definitely looking better.

I agree with every word here. It was a strong episode that accomplished a lot. Chloe's "tough love" stance with Billy is winning me over. Kevin was nice to see...but I also like that they will have some continuing consequences.

I agree with every word here. It was a strong episode that accomplished a lot. Chloe's "tough love" stance with Billy is winning me over. Kevin was nice to see...but I also like that they will have some continuing consequences.

I thought it was interesting that Jana was the one cheering Daniel up and Kevin/Amber seemed to still be "Bonnie and Clyde". I wonder if this is an attempt to solidify friendships or what?

Warning, NO spoilers below. In fact, their OPPOSITE. But I am speculating based on a Thom Bierdz interview, and I intuit I am right, so skip this post if you don't even want intuitive speculation that might be right....

Here's a new interview with Thom Bierdz. The writer is very thorough and Thom goes into detail about his life. There are some spoilers, and potential spoilers, although Thom says he knows little about what is going to happen.

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/gayslives/05-26-09

Although Bierdz was very careful to say nothing, I feel he told us volumes in one section:

AE: What made you decide to go back after twenty years? Why now?

TB: It's a tough thing for me to answer because I'm only allowed to say certain things. [laughs] Let's just say this is an amazing opportunity and I'm privileged to have this part at this time.

AE: What's it like getting back those acting chops after all this time?

TB: Well, here's the thing, man. I don't really want to act. I just want to be, and that's why I haven't really pursued acting. What I'm really excited about is I don't think this role coming up is going to require a lot of acting. I think it's going to play on my real emotions across the board. There are some significant emotions that I haven't dealt with, and this show hasn't dealt with.

AE: I read in an interview where you said you would only be interested in coming back to the show if they used real elements of your life, like your art and your sexuality. Do you know if the show is going to go in that direction?

TB: I'm not allowed to answer that question and the truth is I'm not certain. I've not seen any scripts that are definite.

AE: Did you have any input into the story at all?

TB: I believe I did.

I believe that has told us EVERYTHING. Some people cringed when we speculated about this apparent story direction a few weeks back...and wondered how it could be plausibly told...and felt in some ways it might be damaging..but it seems pretty "locked in" to me based on the above. Sorry to be so indirect.

I thought it was interesting that Jana was the one cheering Daniel up and Kevin/Amber seemed to still be "Bonnie and Clyde". I wonder if this is an attempt to solidify friendships or what?

I think, like Lily constantly cooing about how much she trusts Cane, this feels like a very obvious setup for a mixed-pairs story.

THAT SAID, they still have not dealt with Jana's headaches. I truly feel Love Story coming on, and while I love Emily O'Brien, I can't WAIT to see Greg Rikaart rock such a tale. Moreover, leaving Kevin a little angry and available again...well...I could lead some terrific places.

TB: Well, here's the thing, man. I don't really want to act. I just want to be, and that's why I haven't really pursued acting. What I'm really excited about is I don't think this role coming up is going to require a lot of acting. I think it's going to play on my real emotions across the board. There are some significant emotions that I haven't dealt with, and this show hasn't dealt with.

Wonderful. Just what this show needs is one more person who doesn't want to act. I'm about finished with these people who just want to show up and be themselves. Someday I'll learn to stop reading interviews. I rarely come away happy with what I hear.