As for P3 possibly being gay. I don't think that P3 would have faked his death solely because of his sexuality. He had many other pressures. The war between Jill & Kay. Being a father at a young age. Having a wife who loved him more than he loved her, even if he did care for her. Being the heir to this huge fortune. And, most importantly, the alcoholism. All of that plus secretly struggling with his sexuality might have been too much for him. Sharon's had a damn nervous breakdown just because of Nick's inability to pick a woman and stick with her. P3 was a lot younger than Sharon is now and the whole lifetime of pressure on P3 could have easily led him to snap.

A couple of things in addition to my earlier post. 1) Would P3 really have abandoned P4 after not ever knowing his father? That's a BIG stretch. 2) With all the talk at the wedding of how P3 will alwasy be Jill's son, I still think Cane is the real one. This guy is probably the twin of the kid Kay stole. This could end up being a hot mess. The more I think about this story, the less interested I am in following it. As far as Daddy Bell regretting killing P3, he also regretted Malcolm sleeping with Dru and we were promised that Lily would always be Neil daughter.... we know how that turned out. There's no need to change history with a show as rich as Y&R (e.g., It was so cool to see the MD tell Hope & Victor when Adam was baby that he could inherit Hope's eye condition.)

Cane shouldn't still be Jill's son, or else there was no reason at all to have Thom Bierdz come back, that's just f-cking with your audience - not cool.

I'm sure the explanation will by wonky, and I'll hate the execution. But in the end, if Cane isn't Jill's son, I'll be happy just for that. History was already re-written for lame-ass Cane anyway.

Edited May 16, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Cane shouldn't still be Jill's son, or else there was no reason at all to have Thom Bierdz come back, that's just f-cking with your audience - not cool.

Why not? He'd still be playing the guy she raised for all those years and thought of as her son. He's still the guy that was with Nina and the father of her son. He's just not a blood relative anymore.

As for P3 possibly being gay. I don't think that P3 would have faked his death solely because of his sexuality. He had many other pressures. The war between Jill & Kay. Being a father at a young age. Having a wife who loved him more than he loved her, even if he did care for her. Being the heir to this huge fortune. And, most importantly, the alcoholism. All of that plus secretly struggling with his sexuality might have been too much for him. Sharon's had a damn nervous breakdown just because of Nick's inability to pick a woman and stick with her. P3 was a lot younger than Sharon is now and the whole lifetime of pressure on P3 could have easily led him to snap.

I think what you are saying makes sense. That was a lot of pressure and I could buy into it. It's a rewrite, but I don't think it's unforgivable.

A lot more is behind Sharon's breakdown than Nick not being able to pick a woman though. I think this is a culmination of things starting with Cassie's death, Noah almost drowning, Guilt over Brad drowning and the end of another marriage.

Why not? He'd still be playing the guy she raised for all those years and thought of as her son. He's still the guy that was with Nina and the father of her son. He's just not a blood relative anymore.

Cane isn't a defined character and Goddard sucks. It's OK if Jill still thinks of Cane as her son or whatever, but I want Cane's biological ties to the Chancellor family erased. He never should have "replaced" Phillip III in that sense.

And with Cane there, it means that Phillip IV isn't the Chancellor heir, but Cane is.

I'd much rather Phillip III and Philiip IV have blood ties to the Chancellor family than bloody Cane.

I don't understand why Cane was created in the first place, he's always been such a waste of space.

Edited May 16, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I'd much rather Phillip III and Philiip IV have blood ties to the Chancellor family than bloody Cane.

I don't understand why Cane was created in the first place, he's always been such a waste of space.

There is nothing to understand. It was LML's creation so we can't exactly look for any deeper meaning. It was just whatever flew into her brain that day.

ITA on the first line.

So Thom Bierdz is definetly playing Phillip? This isnt a doppleganger?

So Thom Bierdz is definetly playing Phillip? This isnt a doppleganger?

We don't know. That three-second appearance didn't go into detail, so I guess we'll learn later.

I think what you have to know, or you already do but somehow I'm not entirely sure, your rationalisations and the way you fill in the blanks might, and actually is, totally different from the version a person sitting next to you might come up with.

Yes, of course...I think I am missing a point of controversy here. My speculations (or "rationalizations", as you seem to prefer to call them) are uniquely mine. Indeed, they are apparently "out there".

Anyway, I want to ask you another thing: how's the mood on Usenet about Y&R? Many long-time viewers there...

You know, there is the usual cast of mixed opinion there. But I have actually been surprised, vis-a-vis this P3 twist, right now the mood is more consistently positive than it has been in a while. One user is consistently negative, but the rest are more mixed. P3/TB has confused a lot of people there though...since they don't follow the spoilers as much. So it surprised them, and several didn't know who Thom Bierdz was.

But usenet traffic is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. Indeed, I graphed posting trends there earlier this week (see below). There is a discussion about whether that is due to reduced fanbase of the shows/decline of daytime, or just loss of some influential posters. (DonnaB, for example, almost never posts there anymore).

Cane shouldn't still be Jill's son, or else there was no reason at all to have Thom Bierdz come back, that's just f-cking with your audience - not cool.

I'm sure the explanation will by wonky, and I'll hate the execution. But in the end, if Cane isn't Jill's son, I'll be happy just for that. History was already re-written for lame-ass Cane anyway.

Shock. I agree with every word above. Even if I don't judge Daniel Goddard quite as harshly.

So Thom Bierdz is definetly playing Phillip? This isnt a doppleganger?

If this is a doppelganger, seriously, that might move me to quit. Seriously.

William, Carmen's cousin, Allistair, Pheila...too many doppelgangers. Let's not forget Marge. ENOUGH.

Yeah, we did have a doppelganger (and death) overload.

Yeah, we did have a doppelganger (and death) overload.

Agreed. So a death reversal ought to be a nice change of pace!

Sylph and Mark, please take your love affair to PM or in a new thread.

So much about my prediction regarding this thread... it managed to beat last week's post count.

It's crazy.

Sylph and Mark, please take your love affair to PM or in a new thread.

Oh, don't worry. So far I have no more questions! You can start that whole Cane Must Die thing again if you'd like! That'll be something new and fresh!