Thanks for finding that, @victoria foxton

42 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks for finding that, @victoria foxton

You're welcome! Carl 🙂

Listened to this old upload for the first time in full yesterday. Listening to this reminded me of the various times Lemay had leading ladies having complete breakdowns, to the point of sedation or needing serious treatment (Alice several times, Pat at least once, Lenore here). I suppose this was part of the era and how it viewed women, but it's such a contrast to the idea Lemay gave of wanting to avoid melodrama. 

I wonder if Susan Sullivan was trying to sound like Judith Barcroft at this point. I barely "hear" Susan at all.

The '80s were, overall, a wash for women in soaps, but I do think as a whole the women of Bay City became stronger. Even the most generic of ingenues, like Amanda, rarely got this treatment. The closest (albeit much worse in writing) to these sedations and breakdowns was what DePriest did with Donna, which was, for me, completely unwatchable and horribly damaging to the character. 

I wish I could see the closing credits of Walter's car in flames. It must have been a harrowing visual at the time.

Edited February 26, 20232 yr by DRW50

I had no idea they had the Lenore/Walter confrontation up. I've only read the AWHP daily synopses. 

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

wish I could see the closing credits of Walter's car in flames. It must have been a harrowing visual at the time.

You may be aware -- but the scenes of Walter's car crash were taken from an episode of a prime-time crime drama (Starsky & Hutch, I think), and was on film (of course), not videotape.  So it probably was a bit off-putting, and not particularly believable. Still, it would be wonderful to see this episode!   

1 minute ago, Vee said:

I had no idea they had the Lenore/Walter confrontation up. I've only read the AWHP daily synopses. 

I haven't listened to all of them either but there's some great material. This one was especially interesting to me because I could compare it to the way Lemay wrote about it (claiming Val Dufour took the spotlight away from Susan Sullivan, and so on).

Just now, Neil Johnson said:

You may be aware -- but the scenes of Walter's car crash were taken from an episode of a prime-time crime drama (Starsky & Hutch, I think), and was on film (of course), not videotape.  So it probably was a bit off-putting, and not particularly believable. Still, it would be wonderful to see this episode!   

Ah. Thanks for letting me know. I think S&H was later but there was probably another show with similar footage. I knew the crash would not have been anything special, with budget limitations, it's just the rare choice to have different credits and no music that fascinates me. I am not sure how many times AW ever did that.

15 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Ah. Thanks for letting me know. I think S&H was later but there was probably another show with similar footage.

Yes Starsky & Hutch was a few years on, but I'm sure they had access to car crash footage that was used in primetime by various shows as a cost cutting measure.

I remember watching Mannix reruns and the same footage was used of a car going over a cliff  in different seasons. Being a car person I noticed it immediately as in both cases the car was not the one shown in the chase preceding the cliff top spill.

I checked AWHP.

It says the film of the crash was borrowed from an episode of The Mod Squad.

18 hours ago, DRW50 said:

it's just the rare choice to have different credits and no music that fascinates me. I am not sure how many times AW ever did that.

This seems to be something Paul Rauch enjoyed doing, at least on AW.  I recall at least three times he did it, but there were likely a few more.  First, the episode we are discussing.  Second, when John Randolph shot Even Webster in self-defense, during the closing we saw/heard Olive Randolph whimpering and wailing about losing Even.  And third, in the episode in which John Randolph died, footage of fire fighters extinguishing the fire, and the sounds of this replaced the closing theme song.   One more may have been, when Clarice gave birth to her son Cory.  That episode may have closed with Clarice crying alone in the hospital.  My memory is cloudy on that one.     

Edited February 26, 20232 yr by Neil Johnson

5 hours ago, Neil Johnson said:

This seems to be something Paul Rauch enjoyed doing, at least on AW.  I recall at least three times he did it, but there were likely a few more.  First, the episode we are discussing.  Second, when John Randolph shot Even Webster in self-defense, during the closing we saw/heard Olive Randolph whimpering and wailing about losing Even.  And third, in the episode in which John Randolph died, footage of fire fighters extinguishing the fire, and the sounds of this replaced the closing theme song.   One more may have been, when Clarice gave birth to her son Cory.  That episode may have closed with Clarice crying alone in the hospital.  My memory is cloudy on that one.     

The episode where Rachel and Janice fought in the swimming pool 3/14/80 just aired a black background with the theme as the credits that day.  There were no scenes from the episode aired in the background as the credits rolled.

 

Two questions: Was John Randolph's death a 60 or 90 minute episode (I recall it was an event)?  Also when they experimented with 90 minute episodes before committing to the experiment, what played during the other half hour?  In other words, was another soap an hour and it had to scaled back, or was it when they had two half hour sitcom rerun blocks and just ran one?

Edited February 27, 20232 yr by j swift

 John died in the 90 min episode. 

 

Edited February 27, 20232 yr by victoria foxton

12 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

John died in the 90 min episode. 

That was a special extended episode, correct?

So what happened to the other show that was normally broadcast in its place after AW that day?

Edited February 27, 20232 yr by j swift

6 minutes ago, j swift said:

That was a special extended episode, correct?

So what happened to the other show that was normally broadcast in its place after AW that day?

March 5, 1979 was the first 90 minute episode.  It was not a special extended episode. 

On 2/24/2023 at 12:08 PM, victoria foxton said:

 

An interview with Petronia Paley.

Thank you!  Petronia Paley and her portrayal of Quinn Harding was a favourite of mine.   It was great to see her and learn about her continued creative success.

16 hours ago, Efulton said:

March 5, 1979 was the first 90 minute episode.  It was not a special extended episode. 

You're thinking of the trial runs they did of an hour long, that were standalones, right? No such trial run was done with the 90 minute show. Just when they went from 30" to 1 hour. Hope this is what you were thinking of. 

Not very many people had lines in the SAG In Memoriam 2023 but both Anne Heche & Ray Liotta did. 

 

Edited February 27, 20232 yr by Tonksadora
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