I liked Latham in her first year. Her second year was horrendous.

Me too

Anyone who thinks we'll ever get a better HW than Maria is dreaming.

And I don't want to risk trying. Y&R is so much better under her, that I don't want to risk going back to what it was a couple of years ago. I didn't hate LML as much as some, but MAB understands the show. Some say the pacing is off, that maybe in some of the stories, but she has slowed it down in the classic Bell style and that goes a long way towards making me happy.

As for Jack being the father,he already has 2 children he never sees.

Which is exactly why he needs one he will see. Jack should be a patriarch. He needs a legacy. Nick already has two children that are on the show, that's enough for now. They should bring back Kemo, but it doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon. They will bring back Kyle eventually. That story writes itself, especially with Diane coming back too.

Edited May 7, 200916 yr by Juliajms

Which is exactly why he needs one he will see. Jack should be a patriarch. He needs a legacy. Nick already has two children that are on the show, that's enough for now. They should bring back Kemo, but it doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon. They will bring back Kyle eventually. That story writes itself, especially with Diane coming back too.

Jackass Abbott a patriarch?

I hope not. Esp not anytime soon.

I think you're really hard with her. I mean, Y&R is so much better than it was during LML's era, it is so much better than the rest of daytime. Sure everything's not perfect but I think that complaining about her is not a good thing for daytime now. We should embrace the good points of her writing.

Maria's really good.

Not perfect but good.

If by Christmas Daniel is gluing reliquaries & Jill is in a coma then there's a problem.

Jackass Abbott a patriarch?

I hope not. Esp not anytime soon.

If they give him a kid now, it would still be 10 years or so before he is in that role. Then Kyle and/or Kemo can come back and we can have the next generation of Abbots. But it seems to me Jack has to take on the patriarch role eventually, especially since Billy is so much like Jack anyway. Even smilin' Jack has to grow up someday.

That reminds me of "Mort" and "Bob", two junior-level execs at the Sumner Group, on KNOTS LANDING. Mort and Bob always would be there, interacting with several members of the regular cast, providing comic relief and a sort of "voice" for the audience. (Mort, if I'm not mistaken, was played by Mort Haining, who played Norman, Esther's husband and Rex's killer, on Y&R.)

Yeah, they should hire somebody who could write stuff like that to write this show.

John Abbott was hardly the brightest bulb in the lighting grid,but he served the patriach role.

Jack has definitely changed over the years-become softer.That's as much due to Peter Bergman as the writing.Really,Jack should have learned something by now.To see him as the conniver he was back in the Terry Lester days would probably come off as sleazy.

Billy should be what Jack was to the show back in the 80's,but somehow the writing isn't there.Billy Miller is fine,but comparing Billy/Chloe to Jack/Patty/Diane/Lindsey etc.somehow the stakes don't seem as high and the emotional involvement not as great.

The show needs to build the next generation.not just as adjuncts to the vets.That's not an easy task.

Even smilin' Jack has to grow up someday.

Pretty much.

they need to even out the kids for the next generation, you will have

Fen - Michael and Lauren's son

Summer - Nick and Phyllis's son

Reed - JT and Victoria's son

Delia - Billy and Chloe's daughter

John "Jack" Abbott III or Doris Dina Abbott - Jack and Sharon's son or daughter

if they make Sharon's embryo a Newman it messes up the pairings in the future!

Edited May 7, 200916 yr by marla0518

And I don't want to risk trying. Y&R is so much better under her, that I don't want to risk going back to what it was a couple of years ago. I didn't hate LML as much as some, but MAB understands the show. Some say the pacing is off, that maybe in some of the stories, but she has slowed it down in the classic Bell style and that goes a long way towards making me happy.

Which is exactly why he needs one he will see. Jack should be a patriarch. He needs a legacy. Nick already has two children that are on the show, that's enough for now. They should bring back Kemo, but it doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon. They will bring back Kyle eventually. That story writes itself, especially with Diane coming back too.

Jack HAS the children he wants. He just neglects them, because he's fundamentally too narcissistic. I do not want him rewarded. He should be doomed to raising Nick and Victor's children.

Jackass Abbott a patriarch?

I hope not. Esp not anytime soon.

Bingo!

Even smilin' Jack has to grow up someday.

By having tht horror-show named Billy Abbott on the show -- now even as the recipient of John's ghostly wisdom -- the transitioning toward Billy as the next generation of Abbott f*ck-ups seems fully in gear.

Yeah, they should hire somebody who could write stuff like that to write this show.

LMAO

John Abbott was hardly the brightest bulb in the lighting grid,but he served the patriach role.

Jack has definitely changed over the years-become softer.That's as much due to Peter Bergman as the writing.Really,Jack should have learned something by now.To see him as the conniver he was back in the Terry Lester days would probably come off as sleazy.

Billy should be what Jack was to the show back in the 80's,but somehow the writing isn't there.Billy Miller is fine,but comparing Billy/Chloe to Jack/Patty/Diane/Lindsey etc.somehow the stakes don't seem as high and the emotional involvement not as great.

The show needs to build the next generation.not just as adjuncts to the vets.That's not an easy task.

Let us not forget, though this is not directly related to your post, tht we HAVE the new patriarch on this show. AND HE IS PERFECT.

His name is Patrick Murphy, and he is so perfect, he'll be able to dispense wisdom to the "boys" of the show while taking 'em flyfishing in the Wisconsin streams.

I do hope they use him this way.

they need to even out the kids for the next generation, you will have

Fen - Michael and Lauren's son

Summer - Nick and Phyllis's son

Reed - JT and Victoria's son

Delia - Billy and Chloe's daughter

John "Jack" Abbott III or Doris Dina Abbott - Jack and Sharon's son or daughter

if they make Sharon's embryo a Newman it messes up the pairings in the future!

Although I see your point, they can always bring in outsiders. Your list shows that we do have the basis for a next generation. And Marla, though I know you have a bit of an "agenda", I cannot tell you how deeply I love your signature banner!

Jack HAS the children he wants. He just neglects them, because he's fundamentally too narcissistic. I do not want him rewarded. He should be doomed to raising Nick and Victor's children.

I don't think that's the issue at all. KeMo is asian and this show clearly has no intention of bringing him back. They can't even write for the AA family that has been on the show for 20 years. Are they going to bring on KeMo and try to make that work any time soon? Call me cynical, but I think not. They should, but they won't (imo).

Kyle is off screen because the writers were done with Diane. I think they will bring him back when the time is right, but I want to see Jack have an actual on screen family and I don't think that's too much to ask for John Abbott's oldest son.

I don't think that's the issue at all. KeMo is asian and this show clearly has no intention of bringing him back. They can't even write for the AA family that has been on the show for 20 years. Are they going to bring on KeMo and try to make that work any time soon? Call me cynical, but I think not. They should, but they won't (imo).

Kyle is off screen because the writers were done with Diane. I think they will bring him back when the time is right, but I want to see Jack have an actual on screen family and I don't think that's too much to ask for John Abbott's oldest son.

You know what, I hope you are wrong with Keemo. Although the character would clearly have been conceived in the early 70s, and therefore be pushing 40, they can young him down (like Cane or younger). The SORASing is out of control anyway, so nobody counts ages. I FERVENTLY HOPE AND BELIEVE that Keemo is on the docket for return. I'd love to see tht. In fact, when people used to complained "LML killed the Abbotts", I always thought there ws plenty of opportunity to bring in a next generation with these folks.

Steinberg should've been Keemo.

Jack HAS the children he wants. He just neglects them, because he's fundamentally too narcissistic. I do not want him rewarded. He should be doomed to raising Nick and Victor's children.

This is not true. Victor is the one who is too narcissistic to raise his own kids. In any case, raising other peoples' kids is not being "doomed." It is not like Nick and Victoria were the children of Satan. LOL! Nick was lucky to have Jack as his step-father because Victor never gave him the time of day when he was kid.

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If the Y&R threads get this big, why don't you guys do a daily thread? Too much to catch up on when a thread is this big

This is not true. Victor is the one who is too narcissistic to raise his own kids. In any case, raising other peoples' kids is not being "doomed." It is not like Nick and Victoria were the children of Satan. LOL! Nick was lucky to have Jack as his step-father because Victor never gave him the time of day when he was kid.

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