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RE: Michael and Lauren.

I like that they represent some stability and loving loyalty on this show (unlike, say, Nick who automatically goes wherever his peen takes him).

I also think that a story where one or the other is confronted with temptation (Lauren with either Daniel or JT would be SMOKING hot) or where they are pitted against the other (sparked by a returning Scotty or JoAnna Manning) would be a great SL for them.

Eventually they would find their way to each other because, deep down, they have always longed for this kind of stability and calm, centered family haven. I don't think Lauren and Michael particularly like themselves when they are cruel and out-of-control. Michael, in particular, seems to wrestle with acute bouts of self-loathing.

Oh, and CLB had great chemistry with Lauralee Bell (and Cricket always bored me to tears). I mean, scorching chemistry which always played at odds with the SL they got given (Cricket being Michael's victim) and yet also made it all the more compelling to watch. Honestly, if Cricket ever returned and sparked Michael's interest again, Lauren would have her work cut out for her. Cricket = Michael's heroin, always making him do awful things in her name.

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MAB has made the entire baldwin family back into humans with real emotions, feelings, and some depth. They are no longer over the top cartoon char's.

i love lauren and michael, i dont mind them on the back burner at all. they are very much supporting players and right now are minor supporting, not major supporting. they have also had a fair share of front burner story over the years.

im sure something will come sooner or later, and im willing to late. much bigger issues needed fixing and MAB is taking them on.

and Cat, i loved it when they toyed with the idea of Lauren with JT or Raul. And you are correct, her and Daniel would be on fire.

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Minor supporting is where they are at, and they have been on backburner more than most characters over the last few years, so when should they be allowed off backburner? What story are they even supporting at this time?

It sure isn't Michael as Kay, Cane or Victor's lawyer. He has been shown as their lawyer in 2 mins of airtime in the last month. The only thing they have going is playing Eden's guardians and they have been on this one week off, one week on schedule lately. Same thing happened last year from late Jan to mid March when Maria Bell wrote Michael and Lauren off and they appeared in three episodes in 7 weeks.

They haven't had a front burner story in over two years. And that was the short Sheila as Phyllis story in Jan 2007. Think of all the storylines that characters like Victor, Nikki, Jack, Sharon, Phyllis, Nick, Victoria, Gloria, even Kevin, Amber, Daniel, Cane and Lily have recieved in the last three years and then think of the storylines Michael and/or Lauren have recieved. I bet you can list storyline after storyline for most of these characters, but you would be hard pressed to name many Michael and Lauren stories. The perception that they get front burner story regularly is beyond me, because they haven't had front burner story in a long time.

I'm not so sure something will come up for them, and their fans have been hearing ever since Maria Bell took over that she will get to them and that she has to clean up the mess LML left and nothing happens. Oh yeah, she gave them the Michael's father story which turned into maybe 20 episodes spread over 5 months and which was turned into another Gloria story.

Oh and how could I forget how Lauren helped Sabrina get her wedding dress and Michael arranged her funeral for Victor. You're fine with the way these actor and characters are utlized. As a fan of the characters, I think it stinks and as a fan of the actors, I think Maria Bell and crew are wasting the talents of two very good actors.

It's fine that so many don't mind them as supporting, but even supporting characters deserve some story. Maria Bell has had to deal with alot of problems, but at this point she has managed to involve most of the characters on the canvas into her stories. How about writing them into her stories.

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Would you prefer one of them having an affair? Because, if they decide to give them major storyline, I can see them going in that direction. No one wants to watch a front burner storyline about a happy couple, and often, the only way to TPTB create friction in a stable relationship is by having one of them sleeping with someone else.

I for one never liked how Lauren stood by Michael as he cleaned up Gloria and Kevin's illegal activities. I understand being a loyal wife, but Michael was more than often an accessory to Gloria's crimes, Lauren too by extention. If she wants to raise her son in a good environment, then she should keep Michael's family as far away from her son as possible.

Lauren needs to be fed up with Michael's family and him always putting Gloria and Kevin's needs before her's. I just don't get the dynamic in that relationship.

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You see, you just came up with a handful of compelling stories for Michael and Lauren in just a few minutes. All of your suggestions could work and would showcase the acting talents of Christian and Tracey and could easily be "B" stories.

All those happy with Lauren and Michael as more supporting characters would only have to see them on screen and in their own story for maybe two to three days a week. I think most of their fans would be thrilled if we saw them three days a week for a few months in a "B" story. And the best thing, Maria could still keep as her "A" stories her Newman, Abbott and Chancellor stories.

Then everyone wins.

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What about the three months of Michael dealing with his father being back? I feel like they just got out of a front-burner story, and are now supporting again. It's not like they're Nancy Hughes on ATWT, where we see her once every eight months, if we're lucky.

I do agree with Y&RWT that Lauren should finally have it up to *here* with Michael bailing out his family, and a trial separation would be interesting to me. But this uproar over them never having story is baffling to me. They were on front-burner during the River/Lowell stuff, and LeBlanc delivered some amazing performances during it.

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I keep saying that I don't need them being in a frontburner story. I just don't want them to continually being backburned. I want them to get some story, some romance, some thing for the actors to sink their teeth into.

How about a story about conflict between them over business, Lauren's resenting his family's intrusion, Michael's work hours or her sacrificing her career for him. How about pitting Lauren and Phyllis against each other in an issue and Michael is in the middle. You can do health scares for either them or Fen. Maybe Fen develops kidney problems and needs a transplant. Michael is a match but only has one kidney. Talk about the drama of Michael's guilt and Lauren's desperation at the thought of losing another child. What about Michael having a heart issue because of stress and Lauren coming down hard on his schedule which would be in conflict with Michael's need to fix things and his A type personality. Again good drama between the two and it would not need to dominate the show. Just some good character based drama for them to play.

I don't want to see them having and affair, but why does every couple have to have an affair to get a story. I just don't get that at all. You can show conflict in their marriage with out either sleeping with another character. I wouldn't even mind showing one of them be tempted or even anothe person trying to break them up, but them making the decision to stay faithful. Now that would be different for daytime.

Lauren initially was fed up with Michael's family but then LML started writing her as giving everything they do a pass, and Maria Bell has not changed that either. I would love for Lauren to say enough is enough.

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This is how the Michael father story went. He met his father in August over three episodes. Then Lowell showed up again in late September and the early part of October for maybe ten episodes spreak over 4 weeks. There were no episodes in November of Michael's father story and then it was all neatly wrapped up in December when I agree Michael was frontburner for a few weeks which culminated in the stand alone "It's a Wonderful Life" episode. And again this story turned into a Gloria vehicle in October.

I would hardly classify that as a front burner story. It was a "B" story that was used as filler over a period or months and wrapped up neatly so that Eden was left on canvas for Noah and so Maria could wrap up the Gloria cream story and make her somewhat pay by being in jail for a few months.

Prior to that Michael was support for all of last year and most of 2007. CLB rarely is on more than 10 episodes in a month. I don't know who Nancy Hughes is, but I just don't think they utilize CLB very well. He did win two of the past four lead actor emmys which I know is not the be all and end all, but it does mean the guy can act.

I agree CLB did deliver some great performances but he is given great scenes maybe three or four times a year. He is my favorite actor and character on this show and just as others complain when their favorites don't get much story and are grateful when they do, that is all I am doing.

Hionestly, Michael and Lauren really haven't had much story other than being the happily put upon married couple for a long time. What story beside the Lowell story have they had in the last few years?

Ok, I vented enough and don't want to dominate the board with this one topic.

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I thought it was pretty disgusting during the time when both Phyllis and Lauren were pregnant how Michael was there for support to Phyllis more so than he ever was to Lauren.

Sadly, it just proves to me that Lauren has always been thought of as a prop to Michael and his family and that is never going to change.

If they're handled properly health stories can work, but more than often they come off as an afterschool special. However, an ovarian cancer scare for Lauren could be good, as she could be faced with the possibility of having to remove her ovaries, therefore never being able to have kids again. I'm tired of breast cancer on soaps, it isn't the only type of cancer that exists.

I feel like the story needs to be centered on Lauren, not Michael. We've seen too much of Michael's point of view and his family's, and not enough of Lauren's.

Affair storylines are easy for TPTB to come up with, hence why they're always used. But I don't think they'll be going in that direction with Michael and Lauren.

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But wasn't there a much-publicized vacation LeBlanc took in October? I remember him saying he was going away for a few weeks, and the story had to be put on hold, or something like that. I'm sure that had something to do with it.

I'm TOTALLY not criticizing you, lmfan. I love LeBlanc, and I really wish he had a story. I'm not denying it at all. But I do think an effort was made. I mean, the guy had an entire episode devoted to him. I can't remember the last time that happened - not even Victor Newman had an entire episode where he appeared in EVERY scene. That, to me, shows me they're invested in the character, and want him front-burner.

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After Nia's little interview, Karen may be the one diagnosed with Ovarian cancer.

As much as I wanted this kidnapping storyline over with, I have to admit, I'm looking forward to the upcoming storyline with Kevin. Michael will probably get more airtime since his bro will be in trouble. Again. Once again, Lauren will be used to console Gloria.

Cane and Lily are pissing me off and I can't wait for them to get their dues... damn goody two shoes that they both are.

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Oh I know you are not criticizing and the stand alone episode was a nice treat. It just feels though that sometimes Maria throws these bones at Christian because she realizes he is a good actor and needs some challenge, and probably realized he had nothing to submit for emmy contention and so gave him good stuff to play in December.

Christian takes off a week here or there just like other actors, but he went weeks last year being off screen, and we are only in early March and already Lauren and Michael have been off screen completely in three of those 9 weeks. And used as minor support when they were on. I though December would mean she finally was getting them into the story rotations and instead we are right back where they were at the start of 2008.

I just wish though that instead of these stunts she gives him and instead of using Lauren as just a prop, she actually would write a story about just them and what they are going through as a couple. Just like she has done for so many couples on the show. I know they are happy and that makes it harder for the writers, but so much of their married life happens off screen.

And I also would like Maria to write them an uninterupted romantic episode. I watch soap partly for romance and they get so little romance to play. Every single romantic scene they have had over the past two and a half years has been interrupted. Every single one and they are pretty rare. If Phick can get it on after Nick cheats on Phyllis and if Sharon can sleep with three men in the matter on months, why not show a commited married couple in a love scene once every few months.

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One things one is alone. and suddenly the room is full of voices, or faces, or both, from “Another World”. Another moment, this one from “Days of our Lives.” It takes, as the whole addiction does, some bearing with Mickey Horton we know —though he does not —is infertile. Tom Horton , Mickey’s brother, returned several years ago from Korea, face changed, memory gone. His memory came back. About three years ago, Bill Horton, another brother, made pregnant Mickey’s wife, Laura, a psychiatrist. Tom Horton, before he went to Korea, had a ghastly wife, extremely ghastly. When his memory returned, she returned also. Dr. Horton, the father of Tom, Mickey and Bill knows—as Bill found out by accident, as Laura knows, as we have always known—that Laura’s offspring cannot be her husband Mickey’s. Mickey does not know. Last year, there occurred the following episode: Tom’s ghastly wife was at the senior Hortons’, trying to be nice. The senior Hortons of “Days of our Lives,” like the senior Randolphs and Matthewses of “Another World,” or the Tates of “Search for Tomorrow,” are technically known by soap writers as “tentpole characters.” on which the tragedies are raised. Anyway, as she set the table for dinner that evening at the senior Hortons’, Tom’s ghastly wife was singing. The elder Mrs. Horton said that she had a lovely voice, that she ought to make a professional thing of it. The ghastly wife went directly to Dr. Horton’s study and made a tape recording of her singing voice in song. Later that evening, Dr. Horton had a chat with his daughter-in-law Laura about her child, her husband’s infertility, and her brother-in-law’s fatherhood. The tape recorder was still on. Tom’s ghastly wife, trying later to recapture her own singing voice on tape, heard all the rest. It was unbearable. Months of blackmail, we all knew. It might have been a lifelong downer. I turned off for several years. The present moment—since July, I mean—as far as I can tell, is this. The tape incident seems nearly over. Mickey Horton, however, was believed by everyone. including himself, to have made pregnant a girl other than his wife. Even I knew this was impossible, unless Mickey’s medical tests had been in error—in which case he might be the father of Laura’s baby after all—or unless the writers, and Laura and her father-in-law, had forgotten the whole thing. When Mickey’s girl’s baby was born, it did turn out through blood tests, that the baby could not have been Mickey’s. Of course not. Anybody who had watched even five days two years ago knew that. Meanwhile, a friend of the Horton family, Susan, who had a terrible life, has been raped in the park, and is being treated by Laura, the psychiatrist. Well. One thing about a work of art is that it ends. One may wish to know what happens after the last page of “Pride and Prejudice.” Some writers give signs of wishing the reader to abide with a given novel; one of the century’s great prose works, after all, ends in such a way that the reader is obliged to begin again. But narrative time in art is closed. The soaps, although they have their own formal limitations (how many times, for example, a major character is required by contract to appear each week on-screen) are eternal and free. One can have a heart attack during a performance of “King Lear” or fall in love listening to “Mozart” but the quotidian, running-right-along-side-life quality of soaps means that whole audiences can grow up, marry, breed, divorce, leave a mark on history, and die while a single program is still on the air. Aristotle would not have cared for it. The soaps can, and sometimes do, adopt the conventional thriller form, which has a different sort of dialect altogether: the solvers, the classicists who demand a beginning, a middle and an end. There was a superb many-month conventional kidnapping episode on “The Doctors,” once, when a trustee of the hospital abducted a nurse, under enthralling circumstances, and the only one who gradually caught on was the nurse’s roommate, Carolee Simpson, a character who, like “Another World”s Lahoma was meant to stay jut briefly but has ever been so good that she is essential to the plot—particularly in the recent matter of Dr. Allison. There was also a young lady physical therapist who thought herself widowed in the Six Day War (her husband had been a correspondent in the Middle East) and who fell in love with the son of the chief of all the doctors. The son was in love with her. Then it turned out that an Israeli girl had been nursing a blind American. He was rude to her for ages. She was kind to him. He turned out, after months, to be the lady therapist’s thought-dead husband, and things were resolved. Such episodes do occur. But they are rare. They are too self-contained. Now the wife of the chief of all the doctors, having been kidnapped and returned some months ago, thinks she is going mad. Her paternal uncle was a schizophrenic in his time. There does not seem to be a single sense in which soap operas can be construed as an escapist form. There is unhappiness enough and time to occupy a real lifetime of afternoons. There is no release: not the scream, shudder, and return to real life that some people get from horror films; not the anxiety, violence, and satisfactory conclusion of detective, spy, or cowboy shows; certainly not the laughing chapters of fantasy home, like “Lucy,” “Bachelor Father,” or the “Mothers-in-law,” There is no escape except, either, from political realities. The allegations that the soaps avoid the topical are simply in error: Vietnam, psychosis, poverty, class, and generational problems—all are there. One thing that soap operas do not do is flinch. They simply bring things home, not as issues but as part of the manic-depressive cycle of the television set. And what they bring home is the most steady, open-ended sadness to be found outside life itself. No one can look forward to a soap unless he looks forward to the day, in which case he is not likely to be a watcher of soaps at all. Watchers resign themselves. There are seventeen soaps on television now [1972], some obviously less good than others ( a soap that fails is not simply dropped from the air; it is, for the audience’s sake, quickly wrapped up: The hero, for example is run over by a truck), and in their uncompromisingly funereal misery there is obviously some sort of key. Most sentimental or suspense forms —dog, horse, or spy stories, for instance—have a plotted curve. Things are briefly fine, then they’re down for a long time, then they rise for a brief finale. There is some reward. The soap line goes along almost straight, though inextricably tangled, down. The soaps are probably more true to the life of their own audience than they appear to be; certainly they are truer in pace, in content, and in subjects of concern than any other kind of television is. Not that there is much amnesia or that much insanity out here. Not that each woman’s secret fear, or hope, is that she is bearing the child of inappropriate member of her family. But the despair, the treachery, the being trapped in a community with people whom one hates and who mean one ill, the secrets one cannot expose—except once or twice — in the course of years when changes and revelations occur in sudden jumps: These must be the days of a lot of lives. This is not the evening’s entertainment, which one watches, presumably, with members of the family; not the shared family situation comedies, which (with the important exception of “All in the Family”) are comfortable distortions of what family life is like. Soap operas are watched in solitude. This is the daytime world of the Randolphs, the Matthewses, the Hortons, the Tates —a daily one-way encounter group, a mirror, an eavesdropping or the apparent depression of being just folks for more than twenty years. It is even entering the commercials now—the utter joylessness. There are still the cheery, inane commercials with white tornadoes and whiter wash. But there are beginning to be hopeless underdogs; unpretty, sarcastic Madge, who, as a manicurist, deals with actors who look as though they knew about life in cold-water flats. the emphasis on cold-water products. The view of life as a bitter, sad, dangerous ordeal, with a few seconds reprieve before the next long jolt to decent souls, cannot be confined to one side of the screen. Not on seventeen daytime serials. When, for millions, a credible villain is a suicide, dead, and well out of it. And, a hero is a man compelled to live his drama out, the daylight view of what life is like is far less sunny on television, anyway, than the view by night.
    • Heffa? Girl, bye? MONA!!!!!!!!!!! I'm rolling. 
    • It was just inexcusable. SMH. I'm surprised Lisa Brown didn't change it somehow. 
    • So many things would have had to be different for Mary to want to go back to Reginald. It could have been interesting if it had been handled completely differently but as it was we had a very black and white Mary good/Reginald bad. If she had been able to ignore his worldly crimes and how he treated his own children there was still the fact that he had separated her from her children. Maybe if they had shown us more intimacy and affection between them and had allowed him to have real vulnerabilities it could have worked but as it played out they didn't do much to present him with any sympathetic hook. There are a lot of ways to define wanting things to work. Fans are mostly thinking of preserving or restoring characters and an atmosphere that drew them to the show. The sponsor may only be thinking of the bottom line. When a producer or HW comes in and decides that their vision will deliver for the bottom line and they need to fire most of the cast in order to do it it can feel very much like not caring. 
    • I remember this getting a lot of criticism at the time.
    • Maeve breaks me reading that letter. If you ever need to cry, look it up. Other than the dopey line about Henry wanting to come home to Van's rice (or tapioca) pudding (VANESSA CHAMBERLAIN DOES NOT COOK, Y'all...) it's a sweet sign-off to one of the best father/daughter relationships on soaps. Other than Ross, and Bill (if he says something, which I assume he does) and the letter, the rest of it is BS. I haven't watched it in a while, but it typifies what I dislike most about events that should be laden in history. The writers are too lazy to do the work and get it right. And it becomes about making sure characters X, Y and Z make their guarantees. Roger being there is an abomination. Henry never ever saw Nola as a gold-digger. She and Quint were practically engaged before he even knew Quint was his son. Before that, he was fairly close to Bea and enjoyed Nola's spirit. And Henry never helped Rick become an Eagle Scout.  I get that maybe you don't want to play Amanda#1 or Dinahs 1&2, or Billy, Trish or Alan #1 clips, but damn it....don't make stuff up. I'd have much rather watched clips from Henry, Vanessa and Ross' early days than Rick blather on, or nuMichelle try and dig for a human-like emotion or wonder why after TEN YEARS, Dinah and Quint have never met.   Do not remember anyone named Tina. I barely remember Dahlia, and that's mostly because for a while, I saw Sharon Leal in everything after she left GL.   Reva and Josh airhogs? ALWAYS, darling. ALWAYS. RME. I hate to tar and feather Robert Newman with that brush, but DAMN. 
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