I'm wary of how many are now pushing Avenatti as some kind of crusading hero and tsk-tsking Democrats who don't walk behind him. Something about him and his grandstanding just feels off for me. I'm also wary of these accusations, especially the way he's framed them. I know a lot of people (fake concern trolls, like that Jedidah who was on the View and the ever-phony, smarmy Beltway shill George Stephanapolous, and people with real concerns) are concerned about the way the New Yorker story was written too, but at least that didn't come across to me as attention-seeking.

4 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

I think there are more late bloomers than most people realize (I was 21).  It's not unbelievable that some people graduate from college without having sex.  He belonged to a hard partying frat though and that makes it beyond my belief.  There is no way he was accepted into that culture and was a virgin, imo.  I believe the truth will out.

I agree with this that there are plenty of people who make it through college without having sex. It was the fact that he tried to present himself this way while being accused of assault that made it seem quite suspicious.

24 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

It's not unbelievable that some people graduate from college without having sex.  He belonged to a hard partying frat though and that makes it beyond my belief.  There is no way he was accepted into that culture and was a virgin, imo.  I believe the truth will out.

 

ICAM.

 

Of course, one might argue, he lied about his sexual conquests IN ORDER to be accepted into that culture.

 

I'm not saying he lied in order to cover up his virginity, but I'm sure the possibility will come up at some point.

 

16 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

It was the fact that he tried to present himself this way while being accused of assault that made it seem quite suspicious.

 

Same!  If he had penetrated either Ms. Ford or Ms. Ramirez, then maybe his "virgin defense" would make sense.  But he didn't; and the fact that he tried to w/ Ms. Ford, but was both too drunk and too clumsy to "finish the job," for lack of a better word, only means he was a virgin who struck out.

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Disgusting. And yet he, and the media, are desperate to convince everyone all he did in high school was go to the sock hop.

 

(this is from the NYT so yes I am a hypocrite)

 

 

But, you see, thanks to his ridiculous lie, he's raised the possibility that he lied in his yearbook about being a "Renate Alumnius."

 

IOW, what I just said could happen in my last post, has happened already.

 

Also, from David Mack's twitter:

 

"other men say the phrase was about signalling they’d all dated or gone to dances with the same girl --"

 

Yeah. Right.

 

"but even that insinuation they would be making — in a yearbook, no less — is still really gross"

 

Ya think?

 

"All that means is, Renate and I went out once and had a really good time."  Jesus, Brett, you are so pathetic.

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I don't trust Avenatti, who I think is out for himself first. I don't want him holding public office and I think he'll immolate himself if he tries.

 

That being said: He's a street fighter, he's good at doing what a lot of Democratic politicians can't be seen doing, and he serves a useful purpose in situations like these if his ammunition is legit. if he has a real story - and he apparently is telling part of it on Maddow tonight - I welcome that, and I welcome him coming forward with it on Wednesday as promised. Sometimes you need guys like him.

26 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't trust Avenatti, who I think is out for himself first. I don't want him holding public office and I think he'll immolate himself if he tries.

 

That being said: He's a street fighter, he's good at doing what a lot of Democratic politicians can't be seen doing, and he serves a useful purpose in situations like these if his ammunition is legit. if he has a real story - and he apparently is telling part of it on Maddow tonight - I welcome that, and I welcome him coming forward with it on Wednesday as promised. Sometimes you need guys like him.

I agree. I even trust him to be a good lawyer.  I hope he decides to stick with that and continues to advocate for underdogs going against high value targets.  He has a gift for it and there is a lot of money in it. 

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I'm wary of how many are now pushing Avenatti as some kind of crusading hero and tsk-tsking Democrats who don't walk behind him. Something about him and his grandstanding just feels off for me. I'm also wary of these accusations, especially the way he's framed them. I know a lot of people (fake concern trolls, like that Jedidah who was on the View and the ever-phony, smarmy Beltway shill George Stephanapolous, and people with real concerns) are concerned about the way the New Yorker story was written too, but at least that didn't come across to me as attention-seeking.

I want to like Avenatti, but a part of me can't help but to feel as if I'll get the rug pulled out from under me with him, similar to Anthony Weiner. 

 

13 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I'm wary of how many are now pushing Avenatti as some kind of crusading hero and tsk-tsking Democrats who don't walk behind him. Something about him and his grandstanding just feels off for me. I'm also wary of these accusations, especially the way he's framed them. I know a lot of people (fake concern trolls, like that Jedidah who was on the View and the ever-phony, smarmy Beltway shill George Stephanapolous, and people with real concerns) are concerned about the way the New Yorker story was written too, but at least that didn't come across to me as attention-seeking.

I do think building up someone like this to be a hero is a big mistake.  I expect he has a few skeletons, maybe even bad ones.  I don't care as long as he keeps sticking it to Trump.  He's good at playing the social media game and making life harder for Trump and his cronies. That makes me happy.

Avenatti lost me when he started talking about running for president. If he would stick to being a lawyer I'd be fine with him but he's out here ratfucking politics for his own ego.

14 minutes ago, marceline said:

Avenatti lost me when he started talking about running for president. 

 

Another unfortunate result of Trump's "victory": everyone thinks they can run for political office.  If anything, I see the Trump administration as the reason why we were better off harvesting our candidates from the Ted Casablancas School of Politicking.

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22 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

I do think building up someone like this to be a hero is a big mistake.  I expect he has a few skeletons, maybe even bad ones.  I don't care as long as he keeps sticking it to Trump.  He's good at playing the social media game and making life harder for Trump and his cronies. That makes me happy.

 

There was an article I posted here quite some time ago that describe a lawsuit that he was involved in over an investment that had gone sour.  A coffee bar franchise or something (I can't really remember, it was months ago, I think).

Although I don't believe it qualifies as a bad scandal, he was being sued over some financial and/or contract issue.  I guess it was resolved since I haven't heard of it since. With someone like Trump occupying the White House, I doubt non-payment/business lawsuits matter much in politics now, anyways.

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

With someone like Trump occupying the White House, I doubt non-payment/business lawsuits matter much in politics now, anyways.

 

I feel a rendition of "Memory" coming on.  Not from you, but from me.

While Trump has always whined about America being a laughingstock, this video exemplifies just what it means for America to be a genuine laughingstock as it's happening now.

 

WOW! The UN audience laughs at Trump after he claims, "my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country." pic.twitter.com/tXg50ejQqy

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 25, 2018

33 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

While Trump has always whined about America being a laughingstock, this video exemplifies just what it means for America to be a genuine laughingstock as it's happening now.