23 minutes ago, Khan said:

Well, Trump feels good about himself, and so do the white supremacists.  All I can say is, stay safe, my fellow racial and ethnic minorities and POC.  Because, Lord only knows what's gonna happen next.

Not all Nazi's do. Take a look at this tough guy/now whiney *itch. They are tough carrying around guns talking tough. One on  one boo hoo they melt like butter

 

 

 

 

So all heads of the various branches of the armed forces have broken with the Fuhrer

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/08/16/entire-military-openly-broken-trump-denounced-racism.html

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by JaneAusten

Cantwell must be some sort of prankster.  I just cannot bring myself to believe a Nazi could be so...so...soft.

Steve Bannon in a new New York Times interview. https://t.co/nGJCj8NvDy pic.twitter.com/wmmHjP1OdV

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) August 17, 2017

Amazing @jdawsey1 + @nancook graph on what triggers Trump's anger. https://t.co/WGzfimDM44 pic.twitter.com/kuRj021css

— Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) August 17, 2017

A tale of two interviews:

 

Steve Bannon's colleagues can't believe what they're reading tonight — and here's the twist: neither can Bannon. https://t.co/SRyxJDv5Bc

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) August 17, 2017

 

First of all, I want to say how delighted I was to see David Holt interviewed for the Peters/Martin/Healy NYT article.  I've known David since we were in kindergarten.  We served together in the Boy Scouts for a year.  (I dropped out, because, c'mon, me in the Boy Scouts?)  David is an incredibly astute individual, loving husband to Rachel, and father to George and Maggie.  Although we might be on opposite sides of the political fence, I believe David is earnest, and honest, and takes seriously the needs and concerns of his constituents here in Oklahoma; and I hope that, in the years to come, he will be a tremendous asset to the Republican Party.

 

Now, with that being said: if the GOP sees itself as being in a state of crisis, well, as I (and others) keep saying: they have themselves to blame.  They were warned about the effects of a Trump presidency on this country.  They were warned, and warned again.  Nevertheless, they persisted.  

 

Even now, with voices from across the entire political spectrum condemning Trump's statements, and with so much at stake in terms of our security, our stability, and our reputation, they condemn racism, they condemn the Nazis who trade on it, but they will not condemn directly the elected leader who has now, with words spoken from the gilded tower that bears his name, sanctioned it.  They won't condemn Trump outright, for fear of alienating his base supporters come next elections.

 

Once again, they're placing party above country.  Once again, they're sending the message to me and to people LIKE me they don't have our backs.

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by Khan

Yes, the problem definitely is "the people"...the people like Sydney Evans whose delusional rant proves she simply does not have the intellectual, moral, or social resources necessary to understand reality.

So, here's what I'm learning from reading the Steve Bannon stuff:

 

1) Steve Bannon sees this all as some sort of game ("Tear down more statues.  Say the revolution is coming.  I can't get enough of it.") and while that would be fine if this were a game of Risk....

 

2) Trump's talk of "fire and fury" was, in fact, SOUND and fury, signifying that North Korea basically could've wiped us out, and still could.  (I knew this already, but sometimes, the printed word hits hard.)  It makes me think Kim Jong-un was falling dead with laughter (you know, like those "DEAD" gifs we post around these parts?) when he said he had decided to sit back and let Trump keep on bein' Trump.

 

3) Either Bannon is a gigantic moron ("How could you NOT know this could end up being published?") or a terrible liar ("Do you expect us to believe you didn't know?").  Either way, not smart.  At the very least, this might be grounds for permanent exile from your favorite Risk Meetup group.

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by Khan

5 hours ago, OLTL #1 fan said:

 

 

"The problem is the PEOPLE."

 

And we all know how Nazi Germany dealt with people who were 'problematic.'

 

She totally outed herself before this point, but the mention of "choose to be straight" (by implication, others 'choose' to be gay!) tells me everything I need to know about this highly defensive person.

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by Cat

Why are we wasting time with these people who are beyond all hope? I am simply tired of analyzing these folk, they are who they are, it's time to stop now.  And for some reason, that screenshot is spazzing out my screen (it's not happening in other threads).  Can we remove it please?

Yeah, that image is causing some kind of issue with the thread. 

 

The problem is that the people who voted for Donald did something hateful and wrong but they don't want to be labeled as such. They thought they could vote for Nazis and the Klan then sit back and reap benefits. I'm glad she feels so defensive. It means that she's feeling attacked and she should. People who voted for 45 deserve to be marked by that choice forever. 

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by marceline

18 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Why are we wasting time with these people who are beyond all hope? I am simply tired of analyzing these folk, they are who they are, it's time to stop now.  And for some reason, that screenshot is spazzing out my screen (it's not happening in other threads).  Can we remove it please?

Yeah I was looking for a way to report the post because it keeps flashing the thread.

17 minutes ago, marceline said:

Yeah, that image is causing some kind of issue with the thread. 

 

The problem is that the people who voted for Donald did something hateful and wrong but they don't want to be labeled as such. They thought they could vote for Nazis and the Klan then sit back and reap benefits. I'm glad she feels so defensive. It means that she's feeling attacked and she should. People who voted for 45 deserve to be marked by that choice forever. 

 

Hey, I want to be be seen as having the same financial worth as Oprah Winfrey but the reality is starkly different. The truth is the truth. I'm tired of hearing the perspective of these people, frankly I stopped caring some time ago. I hit the IGNORE button for a reason and I'm tired of being subjected to their spouting of "woe is me" diatribes.

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

59 minutes ago, marceline said:

Yeah, that image is causing some kind of issue with the thread. 

 

The problem is that the people who voted for Donald did something hateful and wrong but they don't want to be labeled as such. They thought they could vote for Nazis and the Klan then sit back and reap benefits. I'm glad she feels so defensive. It means that she's feeling attacked and she should. People who voted for 45 deserve to be marked by that choice forever. 

 

It's a general refusal of personal responsibility and accountability which seems to characterise these people. It's always somebody else's fault that their life is in the shitter and they beat their kids. Mexican illegals! Black peoples! Big Government! Never their own actions. I remember an analyst saying that the reason those same folks would go after Michelle Obama is because they would claim that her efforts to combat obesity with Let's Move! were targeted and aimed at 'humiliating' them. And they hated that this black female was telling them to take a walk and not shovel cancer-causing foods into their pie-hole. The horror!

 

They are getting defensive because they know that their silent acceptance of this destructive regime gives it oxygen to live. It is exactly as Martin Luther King described almost 50 years ago:

 

 

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.

We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

Pity may represent little more than the impersonal concern which prompts the mailing of a check, but true sympathy is the personal concern which demands the giving of one’s soul.
Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.

The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” But… the good Samaritan reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?”

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.
Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.

Edited August 17, 20178 yr by Cat

I'm posting this separately because the Politics Thread has become unreadable (seriously, if I were an epileptic, I'd be going into seizure mode because of the relentless jumping screen!).

 

After endless pieces detailing the feelings of white rural Americans, we talked to rural people of color: https://t.co/pspgo0I7KD

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) August 16, 2017

 

Here is a gem from the article that stands out:

 

The lady who had to bring into work her copy of a business degree for a white coworker to "examine" ...  The humiliation, the denigration! All so an insecure white dude can feel 'bigger' than her.