9 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

No offense, but that's almost exactly what Trump Nation said and continues to say about Trump.

 

Another, even MORE improbable theory of mine: TrumpCo. effectively gave the man enough rope to hang himself.  Why?  Two reasons: 1) They were sick of hearing him complain about how the Monday Statement didn't achieve the results he'd wanted (although, it got people to stop talking about Russia for a moment, so...) and figured it was better just to let him do the damn thing and get it over with.  2) Many from within have had it with him and his constant hot messes and felt they needed to create for themselves the perfect opportunity to bail out.  (IOW, they sabotaged him.). Because, the truth is, even before Charlottesville had happened, people were talking about TrumpCo. devolving into total chaos.

they may very well be setting him up. Pence is the guy they want...hell I think Pence and his staff are the main leakers in the admin. they knew day one they were dealing with a child. but what will they do about it now? they enabled this child. now what? 

Why did CNN bring on Jan Brewer to speak out?

I'm not a big AC fan but this is pretty good.

 

 

 

.@AndersonCooper: Today, Trump seem to go out of his way to whitewash the nature of what was a white power rally https://t.co/NYObZGfyrt

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 16, 2017

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1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

It's obvious for years now that Trump is a racist.

 

Yes, it was obvious, but they (meaning, of course, the majority of those who voted for him) chose not to believe or accept it.  They chose not to believe it, because they were just so desperate to reclaim something they thought they had lost; something that, if we're being truthful here, they never really had; or, if they had had it at one time, they were never going to have again.

 

What it really comes down to, I think, is people's steadfast refusal to adapt to the changing of the world mixed with one man's ability to appeal to their basest instincts and convince them that whatever was wrong with their lives was somebody else's fault.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, that IS a white supremacist.

Edited August 16, 20178 yr by Khan

There are a lot of clueless white people out there - Vox interviewed yet more of them the other day in one more "heartland" piece we're all tired of - who surprisingly express a lot of sympathy for black folks and Jews, etc. and hatred for the Nazi marchers. Yet they still have their go-to: Blame the far left antifa types, say Trump is trying, and that it's "both sides" and the "extremes" on both sides need to be stopped. That is their cognitive dissonance that masks their unconscious, passive racism and gnawing racial fear of a changing America - that allows their psyche a measure of dignity and shelter from their subconscious shame for voting for Trump out of fear of a changing world. Sure, they don't mind the blacks or Jews (or gays or whoever) they know (or say they don't, anyway) but being displaced by them is another story - hence why Trump got elected.  And so the mental defense tactic, however unconscious, is this: Separate themselves from the white supremacists and try to assign an equal share of blame to the political left. "We're not like Those People." They're just a little afraid of how eight years of Obama made them feel about the future they see in the mirror.

 

What Charlottesville - and now today's disaster - did was rip the last fig leaf away from their ambivalent denial. That's why this reaction is so intense and getting bigger. Every moment Trump crumbles, he implicitly indicts more of his shrinking base, who cannot tolerate what they see in themselves through him - and turn away, or finally, at last, disavow him. Which is why he is now at 34% and falling.

 

This is not the beginning of white America finally facing its own shadow self, but it may be the beginning of the beginning.

 

Ana Navarro back at it:

 

 

.@ananavarro: "Peddling to racism is just as bad as being a racist" https://t.co/1X1NE8oNQM

— CNN (@CNN) August 16, 2017

1 hour ago, Roman said:

There were prepared talking points from WH staff which included counter protesters with clubs. so they are lying saying he went rogue. 

 

No - those talking points were thrown together afterwards. What Trump had in his jacket were other pre-scripted remarks he did not use.

Edited August 16, 20178 yr by Vee

Trump has been vehemently racist for decades. His voting base were fine with this as long as it inflicted damage on others. They didn't count on the damage being widespread and reaching them.

 

 

Speaking of people who were fine with the suffering of others, this article about the tale of two boroughs is equal parts vexing and sad.

 

Grenfell Tower Fire Shows Double Standard at Work in One London District

Edited August 16, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

Jan Brewer is pretty horrible (I could say a few more nasty things but will keep it kind), but at least she let Ana Navarro speak...

 

I think everyone knows Trump is a racist or panders heavily to racists. What they didn't expect was that he wouldn't try to hide it. He just puts it all out there. That's very dangerous to America, but it's also telling a truth that America needs to hear about itself and about the party they have put in control of the government. I just wish people realized that the Republicans who are better at speeches and looking concerned are just as racist as he is.

 

38 minutes ago, Vee said:

Sure, they don't mind the blacks or Jews (or gays or whoever) they know (or say they don't, anyway) but being displaced by them is another story - hence why Trump got elected.

 

Exactly.

 

You know, I'm not a fan of Ana's.  However, she makes some salient points, especially in regards to the Republicans who are expressing outrage and dismay over Trump's remarks.  As Ana says in the clip, "WHAT THE HELL TOOK YOU SO LONG??".

 

I almost feel like the GOP is not entitled to be outraged by Trump.  I feel like they're not entitled to go on social media and on TV and denounce him as several have.  As I keep saying, they knew he was a snake when they brought him in.  So now, they're hoping to do what's necessary in order to salvage their own careers and their party.  Well, I'm sorry, but I don't think so.  If Trump goes down for this, so, too, should they.

16 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Trump has been vehemently racist for decades. His voting base were fine with this as long as it inflicted damage on others. They didn't count on the damage being widespread and reaching them.

 

And now, they must live with the fact that, in the eyes of the REST of this nation, and possibly even the rest of the world, they are no different from the David Dukeses, and the Richard Spencers, and the James Alan Fields Jr's.

 

Sleep well, WWC.

38 minutes ago, Vee said:

No - those talking points were thrown together afterwards. What Trump had in his jacket were other pre-scripted remarks he did not use.

 

Really?  Jesus.  I'd hate to guess what he DIDN'T say.

 

In other news: Texas 'bathroom bill' dies in special legislative session

Edited August 16, 20178 yr by Khan

Asked for a review of Trump’s presser performance, a W.H. official would only say, "clean-up on aisle Trump." https://t.co/5jtp8MkRix

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 16, 2017

Charles Blow breaks it down:

 

 

.@CharlesMBlow on Trump's Charlottesville remarks: "Part of me wants to say to America, 'where have you been?'" https://t.co/howAMoOJ6U

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 16, 2017

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Jan Brewer is pretty horrible [...] but at least she let Ana Navarro speak.

 

Right now, a White woman cutting off a non-White woman on television might look, well, not smart?  Maybe that's why she let her speak.

 

48 minutes ago, Vee said:

Charles Blow breaks it down:

 

He's 1000% right.  White supremacy isn't just thugs in uniforms, going around town, chanting disgusting things and beating down anyone who isn't "like them" with clubs and chains.  There are other, far more insidious forms of racism happening everyday in this country; and it's past time for Americans to get their collective heads out of the sand (or somewhere else) and start asking themselves the tough questions that need to be asked.

 

Frankly, it isn't enough to say you voted for Trump because "he wasn't Hillary."  (Just as it isn't enough -- again, if I could be perfectly frank -- for people like me to say they didn't vote at all because they couldn't trust either him OR her.  IMO, those who stayed home on Election Day, including yours truly, are as much to blame for the nightmare as the ones who DID vote for Trump.)  Even if we all agreed that voting third-party would be like throwing your vote away, nevertheless, you and I still had the option to do so.  And yet, a frightening lot of you still voted for a man who never concealed the fact that he was, at best, someone willing to pander to the most despicable people in this country to garner votes; and at worst, someone whose line of thinking was not dissimilar from theirs.  Why?

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8 hours ago, cassadine1991 said:

Why did CNN bring on Jan Brewer to speak out?

the people they have brought on to defend this facist bigot have sickening. 

6 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Right now, a White woman cutting off a non-White woman on television might look, well, not smart?  Maybe that's why she let her speak.

 

 

He's 1000% right.  White supremacy isn't just thugs in uniforms, going around town, chanting disgusting things and beating down anyone who isn't "like them" with clubs and chains.  There are other, far more insidious forms of racism happening everyday in this country; and it's past time for Americans to get their collective heads out of the sand (or somewhere else) and start asking themselves the tough questions that need to be asked.

 

Frankly, it isn't enough to say you voted for Trump because "he wasn't Hillary."  (Just as it isn't enough -- again, if I could be perfectly frank -- for people like me to say they didn't vote at all because they couldn't trust either him OR her.  IMO, those who stayed home on Election Day, including yours truly, are as much to blame for the nightmare as the ones who DID vote for Trump.)  Even if we all agreed that voting third-party would be like throwing your vote away, nevertheless, you and I still had the option to do so.  And yet, a frightening lot of you still voted for a man who never concealed the fact that he was, at best, someone willing to pander to the most despicable people in this country to garner votes; and at worst, someone whose line of thinking was not dissimilar from theirs.  Why?

He did, and the black woman sitting next to him who went back to 1929......he spoke with fire and passion. very proud of him. 

Strong words from the rabbi.

 

I'm a rabbi.
I believe words have power.
I try to choose mine carefully.

[!@#$%^&*] you, Trump.

— Rav Danya Ruttenberg (@TheRaDR) August 15, 2017

'This is as relevant today maybe even more so as many believe because of President Obama this country has moved past this. I know people like this, some in my own family.

 

 http://crookedtimber.org/2013/01/21/the-white-moderate-the-greatest-threat-to-freedom/