Yeah, uh, the singing is totally gratuitous. No more, thanks.

Jewel was a guest star doing a cameo.

BIG difference.

Sure.

PSA's?

And how are skeezy May-December romances, chemistry challenged marriages of desperation or fights about a inane webzine any less filler than singing?

You act like the ONLY thing Neil does is watch Ana sing when it's not.

The writing for Neil is horrible & has been for a long time but Ana's singing is NOT the problem.

That's right. Ana's singing is not the problem. I have never dissed Jamia's singing or her talent -- EVER -- but I would like more story and not just a singing montage every time she's on. Meanwhile, the syrupy dialogue is what I have the biggest beef with and I will poke fun at it (as I did a few pages back) and question why the Winters (except for Lily) are often saddled with this kind of filler. Not for the unaccountably nasty reasons you have accused me of, but because the current set-up has so sugary and cutesy, it is giving me toothache.

And you know that TIIC consider those "May-December romances, chemistry challenged marriages of desperation or fights about a inane webzine" as patently NOT filler. These are viewed as Y&R's A stories. Unfortunately. Don't think I don't harp on those, too.

Anyway, whatever. DeeeDeee, you are a poster I enjoy reading and you've given me lots to think about regarding the Winters story. I'm not the hidden racist you seem to think I am, but I will be viewing Y&R and this SL a different way from now on.

Edited August 7, 200817 yr by Cat

but I would like more story and not just a singing montage every time she's on.

Which there usually is in addition to the singing.

Also Ana is the only kid her age on the canvas so she's limited in who she can interact with.

The writing for kids is the problem which was an issue long before she arrived.

Not for the unaccountably nasty reasons you have accused me of,

Climb down off the cross.

It's not a good look on you.

And you know that TIIC consider those "May-December romances, chemistry challenged marriages of desperation or fights about a inane webzine" as patently NOT filler.

TIIC may not consider them as filler but the viewing audience is another story. lol

I'm not the hidden racist you seem to think I am,

No one ever accused you of being racist.

If you choose to take discussion about the influence of race on the writing or certain characters personally that's on you.

Which there usually is in addition to the singing. Also Ana is the only kid her age on the canvas so she's limited in who she can interact with. The writing for kids is the problem which was an issue long before she arrived. Climb down off the cross. It's not a good look on you. TIIC may not consider them as filler but the viewing audience is another story. lol No one ever accused you of being racist. If you choose to take discussion about the influence of race on the writing or certain characters personally that's on you.

ok then. I'll climb down off this cross ~ it's not too comfortable up here.

And I won't take the writing personally. Sorry if I misconstrued your point and made it all about me-me-me, lol.

No problem.

Ana's singing doesn't bother me too much.

The precocious way they write her?

Irritating as all hell. lol

Ana's constant singing bugs the crap out of me. Ana likes Karen a lot. How about showing us why? Use the time that Ana is singing and show Ana and Karen having a conversation and bonding so when Tyra makes her move on Neil, we understand why Ana takes Karen's side. We could also see Neil helping Ana with her homework, challenging her to do well in school and being a strong father figure for fatherless Ana. There are scenes that would help give the Winters a more family feel and when Ana did sing, many fans would appreciate it instead of rolling our eyes in annoyance.

How about showing us why?

TPTB don't care about Karen.

She'll be gone soon like the most of LML's characters.

If it hadn't been for Tyra's storyline, Karen would have never returned. Peeples' contact on her forum said she won't stay for long.

Go what route?

It is what it is.

Bullsh.it.

There's been PLENTY of singing on Y&R yet when characters of color do it does it become the WORST. THING. EVER.

No. It's always the worst thing ever. It's bad when KDP does it on OLTL, it was bad when JT did it, it's bad now and it will still be bad when whomever the next character starts up with it. I don't watch soaps to hear people sing. I especially don't watch soaps to hear people sing when the actor gets it written into their contract that they get to promote whichever album they are trying to hawk. At least Ana was brought on for a singing story, which doesn't seem quite as obnoxious to me as when some actress tries to use her show to promote her singing career.

Daniel pretty much abandoned Amber to pursue an opportunity in Europe with his Dad.

He was taking photo classes & began working at Restless Style almost right away.

Then he meets Sabrina she recognizes his innate artistic talent & suddenly he's the. greatest. artist. ever.

Yet Devon excels at business or sings with Ana it's met with constant bitching.

OK, but we don't have to watch Daniel do his sketching (Crosses fingers). If all I had to do is listen to Ana talk about her singing career, that would be fine. Instead I have to hear her sing. Big difference.

Whomever mentioned Gwen on ATWT, I think that was the single worst instance of singers on a soap. My god, that went on and on forever. Her singing and singing career ate the show for months there was no hiding from it. It's a big part of the reason I'm glad JL is gone. At least Ana's singing is just a small part of the show and easy to FF.

Did Ana sing AGAIN? I really hate it when soaps do signing storylines. I won't be able to see many of these episodes for a while, but nice to know Y&R is actually being discussed again. I remember a year ago threads wouldn't even be started for the show and nobody even cared.

I am just watching it right now on SoapNet. I loved the little scuffle between Nick and Victor Jr.

Seriously, they brought back Phillip for this? For boring useless Lily Winters? Send Phillip back to Austrialia and bring back Real Phillip. And while you are at throw Lily down a cliff.

Edited August 7, 200817 yr by Soapsuds

does anypone think that Chloe's DNA test will come back positive for Cane as the father because Billy Abbott (Can'e brother) is the father? does it seem that Chloe is going to be a total pyscho now? She's so deluded now.

How can Adam takeover Newman? There's still a corporate hierarchy and Neil is CEO and Victor is Chairman right? Unless Neil relinquishes his role (he bette rnot!) - Adam doesn't have a leg to stand on. I know it's a soap, but Y&R does corporate s/l's usually quite well.

does anypone think that Chloe's DNA test will come back positive for Cane as the father because Billy Abbott (Can'e brother) is the father? does it seem that Chloe is going to be a total pyscho now? She's so deluded now.

How can Adam takeover Newman? There's still a corporate hierarchy and Neil is CEO and Victor is Chairman right? Unless Neil relinquishes his role (he bette rnot!) - Adam doesn't have a leg to stand on. I know it's a soap, but Y&R does corporate s/l's usually quite well.

That may mean that Neil will be caught in the middle of Adam, Victor and probably Nick for control of NE.

Should be fun.

That may mean that Neil will be caught in the middle of Adam, Victor and probably Nick for control of NE.

Should be fun.

I wish Catherine would come along and poach Neil to run either Jabot or Chancellor. That would make my day. Then Adam can feel the wrath of TGVN when he gets back and realizes Adam ran off his favorite executive.

Edited August 8, 200817 yr by Juliajms