Marceline, your hitting it right on the head. I was thinking earlier about fans reactions to characters as if the characters are real people doing real things. These characters are actors following what is written. That's why I love writer talk so much because that is where the liability really lies.

I think this story is pretty good so far. Todd doesn't seem like he's trying to seduce Marty in anyway and I think Marty will have her say/revenge before this is over.

Even hinting at anything romantic is just wrong on so many levels IMO.

Classic soap? Who's the daddy?, dead?,amneisa, lying, cheating, weddings, funerals, and sadly yes rape has become apart of classic soap. That's not the point. My problem is not the circumstances around the story, it's the actual story itself. There is nothing wrong with Todd being involved in Marty's return. It is the 2nd rape that is occuring and the small little hints that lead one to believe she will fall in love with him, thats bothering me.

Excellent post!

I find it endlessly amusing that the same people who are crowing that Ron is a hair's breadth away from doing Todd/Marty (not true) and how he should be stoned to death for such a repulsive thought (even though he's not doing it) are quick to praise and laud Michael Malone, who eagerly pushed for Todd/Marty through the years and created the possibility in the first place. Malone could be brilliant but his passion for Todd and Marty's, er, "passion" was his undoing in 1996, and very likely cost OLTL Roger Howarth when MM returned in 2003.

Todd is just being the worst kind of Todd we've had, possibly irredeemable: Doing horrible things to people he claims to care for out of a petty drive for vengeance against still other people. Remember, he swore he'd never hurt Marty again but in '97, he sent Irish terrorists to kill her husband at Marty's wedding, and when Patrick "died" in Todd's home Todd could just stand by mute and guilty. He didn't do it to hurt Marty. He did it because he despised Patrick. It wasn't an excuse but it was what he did. Same thing here. I think Todd has no intention of hurting Marty, but I do think he's still not above using her to hurt someone else. He proved he wasn't above putting his petty [!@#$%^&*] on a priority of her in 1997.

No, Ron's not doing it. And Susan Haskell would never return to play it. But, as I mentioned above...hypocrisy much?

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I find it endlessly amusing that the same people who are crowing that Ron is a hair's breadth away from doing Todd/Marty (not true) and how he should be stoned to death for such a repulsive thought (even though he's not doing it) are quick to praise and laud Michael Malone, who eagerly push for Todd/Marty through the years and created the possibility in the first place. Malone could be brilliant but his passion for Todd and Marty's, er, "passion" was his undoing in 1996, and very likely cost OLTL Roger Howarth when MM returned in 2003.

No, Ron's not doing it. But, hypocrisy much?

Who in here is praising Malone?

Even hinting at anything romantic is just wrong on so many levels IMO.

It hasn't happened. No hinting on screen so far.

Who in here is praising Malone?

Not you. But I'm sure I'll hear from them shortly. Todd's just lying to an amnesiac here. This isn't quite the same thing as Todd and Marty's "fireside chats."

I find Todd's behavior reprehensible but not pseudo-romantic and not "rape" and not beyond the pale of what his character would do. He's hurt Marty since the rape trial and his "reformation," as collateral damage against someone else. This is not the first time. Did I believe he would do it then? No, but he did it, eleven years ago, so there is now precedent and context. But with Susan back, it will probably be the last. When her Marty gets her memory back she will [!@#$%^&*] him up.

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I'm lost who here is praising Malone?

Here's the issue, and the reason I like Jay's rant so much, Todd ISN'T a human being. He's a fictional character WRITTEN by a human being. So who's really weak, pathetic and creepy?

the character is. Ron is a writer, and I dont think he's the equivalent of the characters he writes for. Thats just crazy

It hasn't happened. No hinting on screen so far.

I know, I'm just saying if it's ever even hinted at it would just be so many kinds of wrong

Who in here is praising Malone?

She's taking a shot at me. My apologies. Apparently the fact that I agree with you undermines the very valid points you've made. I don't want this to become a grudge match so I'm going to step out.

the character is. Ron is a writer, and I dont think he's the equivalent of the characters he writes for. Thats just crazy

I agree. Stephen King makes millions of dollars off of this [!@#$%^&*]!!

It hasn't happened. No hinting on screen so far.

None on screen spoiler free Toups. Have you seen the ABC soap scoops video on ABC.com?

Apparently the fact that I agree with you undermines the very valid points you've made.

You've actually done that yourself since you have apparently no sense of history when it comes to these writers and this topic.

As for ABC Soap Scoop, I've seen the video. I think it's just a single moment to underline the amnesia dilemma with Todd and Marty, not a story direction. Again, even if Ron was such a writer, Susan would never allow it. They had to wheedle her to come back at all with a new baby in the house, they won't going to get her with Todd and Marty.

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I think todd and Marty are at their best when Todd is reluctantly trying to make amends for what he did, but never quite getting there because there's nothing he can do that's big enough to erase the past. That dynamic has always worked for these two. I really see no reason to change it and I don't see any hints of romance implied or otherwise in this story. Todd doesn't even want to touch her because he knows it's wrong. It's almost funny to me the way he tries not to even lie to her, as if that cat isn't already out of the bag.

My real issue here is that I don't see that Todd hates John enough to do this to Marty. The motivations here don't ring true to me, but I do look forward to Marty giving Todd a smack down, so I'm going with it.

the biggest issue with this is whats gonna happen to todd. is he going to suffer for mind raping marty? is he going to pay?

no.

and no, losing starr and blair for the 10,000,000,000th time doesnt count.

Edited July 2, 200817 yr by JackPeyton