June 20, 200817 yr Member MONDAY, JUNE 9 1.(1) Y&R: Monday: 3.6/5,015,000 (-44,000) 2.(2) B&B: Monday: 2.7/3,776,000 (+31,000) 3.(5) ATWT: Monday: 2.1/3,018,000 (+322,000) 4.(3) GH: Monday: 2.2/2,891,000 (-114,000) 5.(4) OLTL: Monday: 2.1/2,774,000 (-5,000) 6.(8) DAYS: Monday: 2.1/2,748,000 (+997,000) 7.(6) AMC: Monday: 2.0/2,576,000 (+94,000) 8.(7) GL: Monday: 1.7/2,422,000 (+213,000) TUESDAY, JUNE 10 1.(1) Y&R: Tuesday: 3.6/5,077,000 (+62,000) 2.(2) B&B: Tuesday: 2.7/3,643,000 (-133,000) 3.(7) AMC: Tuesday: 2.1/2,754,000 (+178,000) 4.(4) GH: Tuesday: 2.1/2,732,000 (-159,000) 5.(6) DAYS: Tuesday: 1.9/2,668,000 (-80,000) 6.(5) OLTL: Tuesday: 2.0/2,653,000 (-121,000) 7.(3) ATWT: Tuesday: 2.0/2,618,000 (-400,000) 8.(8) GL: Tuesday: 1.6/2,411,000 (-11,000) WEDNESDAY, JUNE 11 1.(1) Y&R: Wednesday: 3.5/4,681,000 (-396,000) 2.(2) B&B: Wednesday: 2.6/3,613,000 (-30,000) 3.(4) GH: Wednesday: 2.2/2,914,000 (+182,000) 4.(5) DAYS: Wednesday: 2.1/2,910,000 (+242,000) 5.(6) OLTL: Wednesday: 2.1/2,697,000 (+44,000) 6.(7) ATWT: Wednesday: 1.9/2,597,000 (-21,000) 7.(3) AMC: Wednesday: 2.0/2,508,000 (-246,000) 8.(8) GL: Wednesday: 1.7/2,331,000 (-80,000) THURSDAY, JUNE 12 1.(1) Y&R: Thursday: 3.3/4,767,000 (+86,000 2.(2) B&B: Thursday: 2.4/3,496,000 (-117,000) 3.(3) GH: Thursday: 2.1/2,604,000 (-310,000) 4.(6) ATWT: Thursday: 1.8/2,430,000 (-167,000 5.(5) OLTL: Thursday: 2.0/2,401,000 (-296,000) 6.(4) DAYS: Thursday: 1.8/2,345,000 (-565,000) 7.(7) AMC: Thursday: 1.9/2,330,000 (-178,000) 8.(8) GL: Thursday: 1.4/2,035,000 (-296,000) FRIDAY, JUNE 13 1.(1) Y&R: Friday: 3.3/4,380,000 (-387,000) 2.(2) B&B: Friday: 2.4/3,442,000 (-54,000) 3.(3) GH: Friday: 2.2/2,814,000 (+210,000) 4.(5) OLTL: Friday: 2.1/2,742,000 (+341,000) 5.(7) AMC: Friday: 2.0/2,514,000 (+184,000) 6.(4) ATWT: Friday: 1.7/2,281,000 (-149,000) 7.(8) GL: Friday: 1.6/2,174,000 (+139,000) 8.(6) DAYS: Friday: 1.6/2,097,000 (-248,000)
June 20, 200817 yr Member IMHO, Hogan did destroy ATWT. I don't appreciate how he made Barbara a head case, or Craig unredeemable. He was also, to my knowledge, the first HW to write wacky sci-fi crap into the show. Y&R... you're next!
June 20, 200817 yr Author Administrator Boo to spoilers!! Because Toups was so spoiled I went and got spoiled myself! That spoiler is awesome! I LOOOVE it! Yeah, it was such an awesome spoiler and that's why I was so upset.
June 20, 200817 yr Member Sylph is definitely right.... Y&R fans (including me) are so depressed that they'd take ANYTHING and ANYONE (besides Latham) just to get Y&R out of the mess that it is in. It's a shame to see the #1 soap falling so low. I am sure that we'll NEVER see Y&R reaching 4.0 again. Never.
June 20, 200817 yr Member Sylph is definitely right.... Y&R fans (including me) are so depressed that they'd take ANYTHING and ANYONE (besides Latham) just to get Y&R out of the mess that it is in. It's a shame to see the #1 soap falling so low. I am sure that we'll NEVER see Y&R reaching 4.0 again. Never. When it comes to Hogan, be careful what you wish for...
June 20, 200817 yr Member GL is definitely going to go the way of Passions. It's a "dead soap walking." And that one year drop for Y&R? Ouch.
June 20, 200817 yr Member Yeah, it was such an awesome spoiler and that's why I was so upset. If you're talking about the Talia thing, I was under the impression that was more rumor than actual confirmed spoiler, so perhaps you haven't been spoiled. But I could be wrong.
June 20, 200817 yr Member If you're talking about the Talia thing, I was under the impression that was more rumor than actual confirmed spoiler, so perhaps you haven't been spoiled. But I could be wrong. It hasn't been spoiled officially. It's a rumor/speculation. Awwwwww! Marceline! You have your own little David Vickers! High five.
June 20, 200817 yr Member Imagine in what crisis Y&R is if people expect Hogan to save it! The man who previously destroyed the other two shows he worked on! You, sir, are the pessimistic grim reaper!
June 20, 200817 yr Member And JP said it before I think, once a soap reaches these lows (Y&R from recent 4's to these 3's), it will never recover. Well, not really never, but seeing what's being done to improve it, never seems like a realistic option. The only except in not-so-recent memory, I think, was GH. That DID pull itself up, for a few years (early 1980s), before rejoining the general decline trajectory. Maybe it is Thom Racina and not Hogan Sheffer who will save the show. Also, I didn't realize this Lisa Seidman had such LML ties. Maybe she will "save" Y&R like LML did.
June 20, 200817 yr Member Yeah, it was such an awesome spoiler and that's why I was so upset. It may not be true. I haven't seen it referenced elsewhere. Though it really is cool...tying that character to that legacy character.... who has ties with... well...it would be cool if true. Now, if only OLTL ratings would follow with this upsurge in cool.
June 21, 200817 yr Member Those 3.3's for Y&R are atrocious. Even worse, their demos are spiraling downward. I can't believe how hard and fast that show has fallen.
June 21, 200817 yr Member Josh Griffith should be fired. I really do believe he's the next one to be fired at Y&R. Hell, everyone at CBS needs to be fired, Barbara Bloom doesn't get half the criticism that other network execs get. Ever since she came to CBS Daytime, things have been going downhill at a rapid pace. You're right about Bloom. She doesn't get nearly the criticism that Frons at ABC gets, and she's responsible in large measure for the pitiful state of the CBS daypart. In the day when Lucy Johnson was in charge of the CBS daypart, she took a hands off approach, if she trusted the writer(s) heading her network's soaps. Bill Bell often commented on this, and he was grateful not to have network suits butting into the day-to-day. Barbara Bloom's approach is just the opposite. She micro-manages everything, or tries to. Her biggest mistake, however, is bringing her friend Lynn Marie Latham to Y&R. Bloom never understood Y&R appeal. She never understood what a different soap it was from all the rest. And because she didn't, she and Latham "overhauled" a show that didn't need overhauling. Tweaking a bit, perhaps. But gutting a show creatively like was done to Y&R, I think, is one of the biggest blunders in the history of daytime programming. Consider all the talent that is no longer at Y&R: ED SCOTT, KATHRYN FOSTER, NOEL MAXUM, KAY ALDEN, JACK SMITH, JIM HOUGHTON, SALLY SUSSMAN, JANICE FERRI ESSER, JOSHUA MCCAFFREY, REX M. BEST, MICHAEL MINNIS, SARA BIBEL, TRENT JONES, JERRY BIRN. These people were the heart and soul of Y&R for many, many years. All are gone now, probably never to return. As hard as Maria Bell may be trying to return the show to its former roots, she can't do it without the people who made Y&R the success it was (along with the late great Bill Bell, of course). For that reason alone, Bloom should be axed now, especially since her blunder has impacted the entire CBS soap lineup. As Y&R goes, so goes the lineup. I'm beginning to think the show will never recover, even if they brought back the old team that made the show so poupular.
June 21, 200817 yr Member Those 3.3's for Y&R are atrocious. Even worse, their demos are spiraling downward. I can't believe how hard and fast that show has fallen. The show is beyond mind-numbing. The pairings don't work. There are so few characters to care about any longer. Everyone "sounds" the same. The soap is generic. It's lost its voice. It's lost its soul. It's lost its way. Just like the other CBS soaps. And soaps in general.
June 21, 200817 yr Member Please, spare us, you were the no. 1 Hogan anti-fan until this very post. Why the sudden change? He lost 1 million of DOOL viewers. Soaps don't have time for headwriters to "find their groove." If a headwriter is hired by a show, then that headwriter should be prepared to hit the ground running. Are Y&R fans supposed to wait months for Hogan to learn Y&R and "find his groove?" This show is sinking fast. Instead, why not bring on a new headwriter who has history with the show, who understands Y&R's uniqueness, who doesn't need a learning curve. There are any number of writers who left Y&R or who got purged, thanks to LML, who could step start turning things around from day one. Or better still, put together a headwriting team like GL once did (with Curlee, Demorest, Reilly, Brodericlk) using former Y&R writers who work well together, but who have differing strengths. Come up with an interesting configuration of writing talent as a headwriting team, and let them do their thing. Also, bring in a strong EP to execute the writers' vision. Ed Scott is the logical choice, if available. But what about John Conboy? He has a history with the show. Maybe he's available.
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