Wouldn't surprise me LeClerc.

They're rushing J&A's reunion too much too IMO. After they reunite, then what? Hardly any buildup for these two, and what little there is, was rushed

One of the reasons why Victor is such a great villain is because he dont need to put a gun on someone. Like when he helped Chelsea, he made one phone call and that was it. Victor is not a weak villain. Andre didn't last more then a few months? He has been on and of the show for over 20 years.

then again so do most powerful villains on soaps. except on some soaps. they show the scenes with these powerful players doing some real damage. Victor makes one phone call and the scene happens off-screen. Andre to me was only on the show for a couple months. yeah he's been hiding his true identity for 20 years. but for those 20 years i only know him as Tony. he hasn't been doing any killing until 2007 when his real identity was revealed to be Andre. DOOL needs to bring him back. the writers need to get a villain that's exciting to watch. stefano/victor IMO have pretty much done it all.."kidnap. brainwatch. switch baby around to none biological parents..but we never actually seen him kill anyone on-screen. the brady's always assume he kill people. but they never show it. which makes stefano/victor hard to take seriously.

Edited February 16, 200817 yr by shawn Perez

Andre have killed before, he was the Salem Slasher. And he committed many crimes during the years he pretended to be Tony, but I see your point. I would love to have Andre back, he was a great villain.

Wouldn't surprise me LeClerc.

They're rushing J&A's reunion too much too IMO. After they reunite, then what? Hardly any buildup for these two, and what little there is, was rushed

Yes, dammit! Their reunion was rushed which makes me very uneasy about their longterm frontburner status. It's as if Frons want the HWs to hurry up so they can return back to his favorite characters. In less than two weeks Jesse is seen by Tad, they reconnect, he tells him why he faked his death, he hides out in his basement, he's found by Crystal and the next day he reuintes with Angie??? The build up and angst was minimal compared to other super couples who were given similar storylines. Only J and J's superb acting saved it. Even worse is that Angie feels no justifiable anger, no animosity and after making love they're one big happy family. I'm afraid... very afraid...

I wouldn't be shocked if Frons blamed D&D, I doubt he was all gung ho about their returns anyways, notice they barely got promotion while "Real Greenlee" was promoted so much it made people who even liked her sick of her before she even aired.

I disagree about their promotion. Aside from real! Greenlee's excessive, maddening promotion they got much more than I thought. The minute RB was back on screen it was all about J/A even almost to the level of RB...almost. They were everywhere and their promo to Alicia Keys played consistently. It is because of that I'm really dissapointed that their returns didn't have a significant impact on the ratings.

Edited February 16, 200817 yr by Money

*whistles* and looks around and asks Toups....Where are the ratings??

As soon as their return story is resolved Angie and Jesse will be backburnered. They will probably just be supporting players to Frankie and Cassandra. And at the next round of severe budget cuts they'll get the Cady McClain treatment: "Sorry guys, Barbara and Jim feel that there's nothing more to write for you. It's all been done. By the way, what are your favorite foods so we can use those to kill you off?"

If and when that happens, those of us who came back will leave again. And leave the show to real!Greenlee and the rest of the Stiletto Sluts as AMC slides back down the "pole" Frons loves so much.

Wouldn't surprise me LeClerc.

They're rushing J&A's reunion too much too IMO. After they reunite, then what? Hardly any buildup for these two, and what little there is, was rushed

I'm sorry but I think the reunion is going at just the right speed. There's not weeks of missed connections and lurking like there was with Dixie. There's been just enough time to re-establish Jesse and Tad's relationship, pull Frankie into the fold of the show, bring newer viewers up to speed/remind veteran viewers what this couple was all about and tee up the next phase of the story. Good Lord did anybody need two months of Jesse hiding in the bushes? Or endless Angie/Kwak convos about the power of love? No thanks.

Edited February 16, 200817 yr by marceline

I disagree about their promotion. Aside from real! Greenlee's excessive, maddening promotion they got much more than I thought. The minute RB was back on screen it was all about J/A even almost to the level of RB...almost. They were everywhere and their promo to Alicia Keys played consistently. It is because of that I'm really dissapointed that their returns didn't have a significant impact on the ratings.

I felt they should have gotten more promotion than they did, two days of promotion compared to like a month of REAL GREENLEE promotion was sickening IMO. Two days of promotion then Angie returned.

I wonder if the REAL GREENLEE promotions might have turned people off of AMC that otherwise might have tuned in for J&A?

IMO Jesse and Angie may not have raised the ratings but they prevented them from going lower. How many people here have indicated that Jesse and Angie are AMC's only saving grace, the only reason they are watching?

Were it not for Jesse and Angie I fully believe AMC would be back at the bottom of the ratings. But that will never enter Frons' mind. (And, of course, I could be wrong and the ratings would be where they are regardless of J/A).

You might be right, but the ratings are already starting to drop

I wonder if the REAL GREENLEE promotions might have turned people off of AMC that otherwise might have tuned in for J&A?

I don't think it was a matter of turning people off as it is that these were two different audiences.

The returns should've been broken up and promoted differently. I will say I found it intriguing to see ads fofr J&A in primetime on Ugly Betty. I didn't see any primetime Greenlee spots. I think they realized albeit a little late that they needed to reach a little farther. For example I was at my mom's for MLK day and watching AMC. She looked at the screen and said "Is that ANGIE?!" I said, "Yup and Jesse will be back next week! But first we have to get through the return of Greenlee."

Her response: "Who?"

I don't think it was a matter of turning people off as it is that these were two different audiences.

The returns should've been broken up and promoted differently. I will say I found it intriguing to see ads fofr J&A in primetime on Ugly Betty. I didn't see any primetime Greenlee spots. I think they realized albeit a little late that they needed to reach a little farther. For example I was at my mom's for MLK day and watching AMC. She looked at the screen and said "Is that ANGIE?!" I said, "Yup and Jesse will be back next week! But first we have to get through the return of Greenlee."

Her response: "Who?"

I am enjoying the reunion. I didn't watch AMC when they were on the first time. I've been watching the reunions because the ads on soapnet caught my attention. I'm not liking much of AMC, and the way it is taped makes it hard to watch. However, I admit, I'm enjoying the reunion.

I'm not defending AMC, but I find the lead-in theory weak. If OLTL is so good, it would attract viewers on its own.... despite the show that airs before it.

ITA from my standpoint lead in has absolutely no bearing on why I watch or record a TV program. If I want to see it I watch it its that simple. I watch Y&R but find B&B one of the worse soaps on daytime with the exception of Susan Flannery's awesome acting.

IMO OLTL sucks rocks big time the scribing is way tooo sappy and predictable for me. So I'm not surprised at the 2.0's . That "core family" pimping may have also hurt them; I know it propelled me to tune out with some of my cyberpals.

I'm only watching AMC for the Angie/Jesse reunion and I am a huge Tad esp w/Jesse fan; and some good acting is going down in the Jesse/Angie/Tad storyline; I like Zach/Aiden/Jack M./JR a lot too. Mostly I did clips, but lately I have been watching more than usual because of these characters.

Edited February 16, 200817 yr by Cyberologist

I know this has probably been discussed ad nauseam before, but can someone please explain to me how GL had 300,000 more viewers on Friday than Wednesday, but a lower HH rating. Thanks.

I know this has probably been discussed ad nauseam before, but can someone please explain to me how GL had 300,000 more viewers on Friday than Wednesday, but a lower HH rating. Thanks. 

I would like the answer to that one too.  I would also like to know how on Friday GL has a 1.9 with 237,000 more viewers than OLTL who had a 2.0.

what i meant was. DOOL has no follow through villains. they come off as weak. All talk no action. victor was a good villain back in the day when he said he was gonna do something he did it. that's problem with DOOL nowadays. they back tracked and now they have weak villains like victor who once was a good villain. and stefano who was my fav..the writers completely screwed them up. IMO the the resent villain DOOL had that was a follow through type of badass was Andre. and he's dead. didn't last more than a few months. GH keeps villains on the show for years. and they fellow through with trying to kill there target. namely sonny/Jason. or some cases. people around them they care about. the shootouts are awesome. DOOL doesn't have that type of suspence and action pack like when JER was HW. even if viewers hated him for his long drawn out S/L's. one thing he did good was action stunts that most of us action fanatics enjoyed. DOOL is totally boring right now. with un-interesting S/L's. that don't gain ratings..so there stuck with a 2.2. and the characters are not helping either. there pretty much used up to the point where the dimera vs bradys is played out. well GH is consistently good. i haven't seen one full week where DOOL has been good. the boring days outweigh the good.

Well I am new to this board and found most posters here to be more sound and realistic than those on other boards but you comment about GH is just - uhm - well how do I say this politely - not true.

I have watched this show for 20 years plus and the last year of GH has been a total disaster since after Feb sweeps 2007. This was once the best soap on TV and I like the mob but not on the entire show. I also resent the influx of new characters = this is the largest cast on daytime TV and all characters except the same select few are given 30 second segments.

There is very little continuity and good storytelling on this show period and the TMK storyline well all I can say is they killed off 2 great and vital characters with history and tons of story potential for a story most viewers have forgotten about. ANd this is not just me. This is the 800,000 other viewers this show has lost over the past year. So if you are going to throw stones at DOOL(and they have lost many viewers over the last 2 years) let's be honest, GH deserves it's share too.

They need a total housecleaning and they need to trim their cast and give the cast members left stories and viable screentime with continuity. This show is a total mess and as I said the fact that their viewership is down substantially means that many viewers are just not buying the crap they are feeding people. I for one am insulted by Fron's continual comments and attempts to 'train' the audience into liking what he thinks we should like. Screw him and his idiocy and destruction of ABCD.

And there is zero romance on this show anymore. Jason and Liz as their featured couple are a joke. The characters they should be focusing on and giving more story to(not random plot points) are the Quartermaines(and bring them back), the Cassadines(same here), and a little of the mob like we used to have when Luke was more prominent.