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Woah wut Wait... are you being shady about the lady in green?? Because that lady is the Side-Eye QUEEN!

@DaytimeFan @Cheap21 I get major RHOV vibes too, not just because of the location and lifestyle, but also because Meredith looks like a cross between RHOV Ronnie and Mary Zilba.

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I've seen Bravo fights, and I've seen real, messy, drunken, blown out of proportion fights. This is a Real Fight for sure. I'm not Team Anybody with this one -- both men blew this up bigger than it actually was. Michael was clearly drunk, and Chris was likely on his way there. However, like @Cheap21 I was struck by Candiace repeatedly daring Michael to hit her. Candiace is a baiter. And as reckless as she is, she knows exactly what she's doing. She gets a rush off the chaos.

This ~BETTER~ be on BH, but you know she will pull every string to make sure it won't. I wondered whether this divorce was a 'protect the assets' fakery. IMO Erika is in that marriage for the long haul. It pays for the tours, Mikey, the glam squad, and the clothes. Why would she walk away from all that? Karma is starting to become a real bitch for some of the BH chicks. oh [!@#$%^&*] I am 3 episodes behind you on SLC and probably like 17 behind on OC (work). I'm wondering if OC is really as bad as some are saying? I'm starting to see some opinions start to turn on that score. Which reminds me: one of these days (when it is slow on the RH front) we should post some of our UOs -- Unpopular Opinions about these shows. I love to read a good ole against-the-grain rant.

POTOMAC Karen was caught twice and each time she wriggled free! At the end of the telephone call with Ashley, she said "You tried, Ashley" and I cackled! I understand her playing both sides -- she wanted to reassure Candiace that Monique would not be coming, while at the same time assure Monique that she was not being excluded per se. Which leads me to... Candiace. Why are you boohooing again with the pointy napkin? Because Karen saw Monique earlier but then made her leave before you got there? And this is a bad thing because...? SHE PRIORITISED YOU. Also, I'm no Ashley fan, but Miss Traumatized Victim is vindictive and nasty calling her trash. Oh, Ashley. Why are you doing Gizelle/Robyn/Wendy/Candiace's dirty work for them? Is this to deflect from the character statement you wrote for Monique? Me watching Tamra Karen in the bath with Eddie Ray. Robyn sneering about Karen's wig launch in a strip-mall hair salon? Girl, you are back-paying the IRS on an instalment plan! AS IF you are above strip malls! AS IF that $1.6mn house you toured was ever an option. Gizelle. I wasn't sure before, but I am now. The Jamal fauxmance is as non-existent as Every Hue. I know it, you know it, the daughters know it. And they are DONE pretending. The thing that really sealed it, though, was Gizelle snapping at a producer in her VT. Way too defensive. Her inability to project any kind of emotion basically says 'This fake-ass SL was a flop. Not even the crew believes me.' I fully expect a "Sherman Jamal and I broke up" speech to her daughters next week. Wendy's bat-signal went NUTS when she sensed Karen was leaving. And those piss-poor dramatics as she shouted at everybody at the party? Good lord, this self-important twit. Even her mom was like 'enough' when Four Degrees berated her for -- yes, you guessed it -- NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SHE HAS FOUR [!@#$%^&*] DEGREES. Oh noes. I missed that. Let me guess: they are hardcore Drumpfers/anti-BLMers. 😥 It's actually spooky how close D'Andra's New Face has gotten to its target goal!

I've seen ads for this and have been tempted to check it out. I worked at one time in the industry and still work in financial services-adjacent, just not in trading or investment banking. My dad worked for investment banks for a while, though -- he was basically married to the company. It takes a certain kind of person to make it in that field -- single-vision focus to the exclusion of anything else -- to the point where bankers will show up at the airport having forgotten to pack a bag or bring their passport. Family/personal life takes a backseat. Many workerbees in the industry are on second or third marriages, and try and get out in their 40s because the pace is unsustainable. BTW I'm not sure when all the sex is meant to happen. I missed out, lol -- I was basically working day and night! We did hear rumors though of trader douchery, and people being on coke or Adderall.

IA with @alwaysAMC -- the trailer does seem more relaxed without 'the Locken' (c) and maybe a reset is what's needed. And yes, Tiffany is going to be a know-it-all and bossy, maybe annoyingly so. She is super Type A, and both Tiger Mom/Tiger Daughter. That's a fascinating phenomenon to me. Also, sometimes, what a viewer wants isn't always what a viewer needs. Tiffany looks like she will be messy and doing the most and I'm ok with that for now. A few moments that stood out for me: -Stephanie and Travis's chemistry must be one of the strongest of any married couple on Bravo! -D'Andra's New Face saying "You think I'm an opportunistic person that does things for personal gain." Momma Dee: "You're darned right I do!" 🔥🔥 -D'Andra's New Face and Brandi deluding themselves into thinking they are the heroines of this show. In actual fact, the audience is probably rooting for their downfall, and Kary's, too. -Karen Brandi trotting out the 'suicide' card after getting called out for racism.

Dorit was always so pretty. Now she's looking like a bootleg Kardashian. I will never understand this trend in surgery/fillers to look both fake and basic at the same time. All these peeps in Hollywood walking around looking completely interchangeable and unable to flex their new plastic lips.

Oh it is? Shoot, I need glasses to read Twitter now.

Bravo keeps trying to make Gizelle happen, ugh I would have had Wendy Robyn Gizelle Candiace ANDY Karen Ashley Monique. Why the hell is Karen islanded with Candiace and Wendy??

Wow. You responded quickly! How could I forget Ashley? The age list should read like this: Karen - 57 Gizelle - 50 Robyn - 41 Monique - 37 Wendy - 36 Candiace - 33 Ashley - 32 I always get lowkey surprised at these age lists; I don't think they really matter. Like, Wendy looks older than 36. Also, despite the age difference (or maybe because of), the Karen-Ashley antagonist chemistry is still the best and has been since Day One. These two will never be friends -- too much water under the bridge. But they both went through a season of reckoning (Karen in S3 and Ashley in S4). Both came out the other side stronger. Both of them respect each other to an extent, and on this Mo-Cand fight, both are in agreement: the two women were in the wrong to varying degrees, and Candiace should not pushing for jail time. You ask for a take on Karen. So, Karen will be accused of 'plotting' against Candiace now that she has revealed that Monique showed her Candiace's deposition. I don't think Karen is plotting, though. I *DO* think she is 3 steps ahead of everybody because she has to be. She doesn't trust these women, especially Gizelle. She knows the covenly ones are always strategizing against her, and wants to be ready for it. She did not pull out that tidbit about Candiace "releasing the glass" until the women began ganging up against her. Most of all, Karen won't be told what to do or who to like. Same thing with Ashley. Ashley straight up went to Gizelle and Robyn and told them about the letter. Told them they could tell Candiace, and she didn't care. Told them she was Monique's friend, period. She knows they are the source of the trouble and just laid it all out on the table. I honestly though La Dame was going to say "I saw something in the fight that you all didn't see.... and that was Gizelle pushing Monique on her collarbone and then stepping back like she did nothing." When is somebody going to talk about that? What do you think Karen knows about them? That Gizelle, Robyn, Charrisse and Candiace all got together BH-styles to plot taking down Monique, and Candiace told them the affair rumor was not going to cut it?

Wow, thanks, Taoboi. 😊 The truth is, I come on here to read the rest of you all's opinions about Potomac! Potomac brings out a lot of great posts. I should warn you that my eyes were ~blinded~ by Gizelle's highway hooker look (the invitation said 'dominatrix', but clearly Gizelle didn't get that memo). So I may have missed some things. In any case, my feelings are unchanged. Karen and Ashley don't give a single f*ck what any of the women think of them, and they are not here for Gizelle, Robyn, Candiace, Wendy's agenda-driven camera-work. Like Kyle Richards, Candiace has found her sweet spot as professional victim. I see Bravo has trotted out an After Show segment entitled 'Candiace Explains Her Pain.' In the words of Ramona: Candy Ass won't stop saying Monique belongs in jail. That is the reason Ashley agreed to a statement, and the reason Candy Ass does not have the audience's unconditional support. "Every morning I wake up wondering what she's going to say about me!" Ironic considering the way Candiace goes Cujo on Twitter. I bet a number of people, including Ashley, felt similarly about Candiace's social-media attacks. Gizelle has been setting up Karen all through this trip. The irony of Gizelle saying Karen 'picked the wrong side.' Honey, unfortunately, you are not as clever as you think you are. We See You. I was almost enjoying Wendy (and her fashion) until the last 5 minutes. Total dumbass. Next week, too. Why is this loud mouth, who only joined the show 5 minutes ago, acting like she knows everything about everybody? Sit your thirsty ass down! Robyn is a bully's sidekick, and that's all she is. She will kick you when she thinks nobody else is looking. She has no real agenda, but will piggyback on everybody else's because she loves a gang-up. As for the age BS about Karen, this is the same sh!t Rinna pulled with LVP for years. I personally love a mixed cast in terms of age, race, background, etc. The age difference between Karen and Gizelle is smaller than the one between Giz and Robyn. And Robyn acting like she's some trendy youngster when she is no spring chicken herself. Karen - 57 Gizelle - 50 Robyn - 41 Monique - 37 Wendy - 36 Candiace - 33

I've long felt this, and possibly have mentioned it here, but it is literally like watching Jim Jones and his cult followers at Jonestown. Only on a much larger scale. And that is really, really worrying.

Nobody can dress for sh!t on this cast! And i love every minute of it! Where to start? Wendy's Project Runway reject gown is literally 3 different outfits in one. Ashley sewed her eazy-wipe kitchen tablecloth onto her swimsuit. Karen had to disentangle herself from a giant spider's web. Candiace is somebody's birthday present.

SLC Wooooooooooooooo. TT has an article transcribing a Reddit post about Mary's Faith Temple shenanigans and IT 👏IS 👏A 👏DOO 👏ZY! Seeing all these churches wielding so much power, especially on the political stage, religion really is a conman's game to rake in $$$$$$$. I have a psychologist friend and if she watched RHOP, I know what she would say. Candiace has mama issues. My friend would be like: 'Candiace is punishing/rejecting the mother figure in her life because she feels powerless to do that with her own mother.' @Gray Bunny Candiace's reactions bother me and you have put your finger on why. Her attitude *is* stank, and it also feels like she practiced it in the mirror beforehand. If those Sunset Boulevard turbans are anything to go by, she thinks of herself as some kind of seen-it-all RH diva. I know no tea but I did hear about this 2 months ago. Jackie had a hissy fit about her marriage being this season's parlor game. Sigh. Honestly -- and this is a highly unpopular opinion -- I kind of wish Siggy would come back with her hormonal crazy. Margaret would be so pissed! What would be great would be to see a dissection of Bravo and how it treats POC, but with the exception of Nene (who will probably be dropping elephant-sized 'naming no names'), I cannot see G and E deciding to anger their new employer. Lisa Rinna would argue that she is doing all she can to secure her daughters' financial futures. I've said for a long time that she strongly emulates momagers like Kris Jenner and Yolanda Foster. What makes me sad is that Rinna does not have much imagination. She does a copy-paste facsimile of whatever KJ and YF did, but she cannot conceive of any other avenues for her kids outside of Instagram 'model.' Amelia Hamlin seems like she has a couple of braincells to rub together. This past season she came across as self-aware and introspective. If she didn't have her anxiety disorder, I imagine she would thrive in a college setting. But now that she has dropped out, maybe she feels that this fame-game stuff is all that is left open to her. And that's too bad. Because her eyes look as sad as Scott Disick's. Scott Disick (who I actually like) struggles with addiction and depression. This is a tough one. I hope it works out ok... Perhaps Kris Jenner is just doing Rinna a favor and this is a fauxmance for the blogs.

Book of Mormon is fab. Written by the creators of South Park and Team Anetica World Police, and I love their wacked-out sense of humor. It is more heart-warming than South Park, though. When I saw it, the audience gave it a standing ovation. My Mormon friend saw it too, and really enjoyed it also, even though she felt guilty laughing, she said. Said they got a lot of details right about Mormon culture. Good songs, too.

https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/rhop-season-5-reunion-andy-cohen-teases-spoilers

Largely in agreement with @Chris B and @Gray Bunny's hubby about Jen Shah. She was being touted for weeks before this premiere leaked as the 'star'. Obviously the show is centred around her, and I am ok with that. It draws you into the story. Jen is pointedly fabulous. But being touted as the queen of the franchise before SLC even gets off the ground? I worry that might backfire. On her, on the show. Having been to SLC -- to attend my friend's Big Mormon Wedding! Which was incredible and filled with lots of gossip -- this show really captures the vibe of the place. The landscape is not lushly beautiful and bright, but it is mighty and majestic with the Rockies framing the city. The lifestyle seems legit outdoorsy great, like the one showcased in RHOVancouver. Heather looks like the true-blue Mormon women that I met out there -- blonde, English/German origin, with lonnnng hair. (They love their long locks and many fear cutting their hair and somehow losing their femininity). I also like how she is openly rebellious and says what she thinks. Same with Whitney. Ironic that the two Mormon women with such close ties to the church's inner sanctum would be the ones to break free. So, who is having husband drama in the trailer? Lisa or Meredith? Lisa seems like a frosty b!tch. Meredith and her son Brooks. They are close. When he stood in for his dad and put those rose petals on the floor on his behalf, I was like 'oh, shady Bravo.' Mary is obviously batshit. I think I kind of love her. Well, I'm surprised Monique was even following Wendy. Monique met Wendy for, like, 10 minutes before Mo was excommunicated from the group. As for Candiace unfollowing Karen, she's been bitching about her on social media and Wendy Williams for months. I'm surprised Karen didn't unfollow that 'rusty-ass b!tch' first. I would love it if Gizelle got royally exposed! However, so far, it seems quiet on that front. I fear Giz may have dodged repercussions yet again.

Me to Wendy: Some people delude themselves into thinking they are experts at changing the narrative. Wendy is one of those people. Sweetie, Karen isn't questioning the provenance of your FOUR DEGREES. She was pointing out how you keep bashing everybody over the head with them. Because you are deeply insecure. Wendy claiming she put a 'button' on the subject -- I LOLed at the way Delusional patted herself on the back. The next day she is all "FOUR DEGREES! FOUR DEGREES!" and Karen calmly intones: "I thought we put a button on that." And Wendy starts stuttering. "I... I... want to unbutton... unbutton it... for a second!" This is why Karen is my GOAT. She owned Wendy then and there. Candiace mandated that everybody must pick her side over Monique's, and clearly not everybody is going to do that. So she is leaning into her victimhood as an excuse for all kinds of bad behaviour. Tantrums. Buying new luggage, lol. Trying to get a mother of 3 imprisoned. She is very bitter and spiteful, and she needs to cool it. Especially online. Here is where Bravo went wrong with Miami, in my humble opinion. 1. The cast (plus assorted, random hangers-on) was too big in number. For coherency, it needed to be whittled down to more manageable levels. 2. Bravo didn't work hard enough to keep Karent on the show. A sizeable portion of the audience was on her side, but Bravo did not think she was worth fighting for. I have a theory about that, which is.... 3. ...Bravo was not interested in showcasing the Latinas, even though Miami is 70% Hispanic, and 50% Cuban-American. The network focused instead on Joanna Krupa and Lea Black. Hmmm, wonder why? Centering the show around Joanna Krupa was a massive mistake. Who cared about that vapid, mean-spirited bore? Not me. Escort Girl didn't even live in Miami. As for Lea Black, she was fine as the lightening rod character. But she was no LVP and wasn't strong enough to bind the show together. 4. Losing Mama Elsa was another massive blow. Mama Elsa was the most compelling character, and heart & soul of the show. 5. The scripted fakery of the two duelling weddings was totally obvious, and it turned off what few viewers were left. Also, Adriana and Joanna? Not much to like about either HW (though I was Team Adriana). Alexia was the natural heroine of the show.

Oh man, you said it! I also spent a sizeable portion of my weekend laughing my ass off at this mess:

Wish we could get Katie back.

Lol Feelin Joe Biden! Another reason Lu stays my fave. Interesting that she donated to Hilary's campaign; Carole couldn't stop dissing Luann’s lack of political insight during the 2016 election and acted like she and Dorinda were the only ones to support HRC's bid.

@Vee, I feel like you have not slept since Monday night! You and everybody else who posts on here are doing amazing work keeping us informed at time when traditional sites and social media might be pushing baseless rumor. I live abroad now but am a US citizen and longtime voter in Massachusetts, and I really appreciate the info, discussion and opinions everybody has contributed to the Politics Thread, especially the last 5 years. It's been an oasis of clarity for me, and though I don't post on here often, I do read it a lot. Just wanted to express my thanks.