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@Franko Your mention of Tampa and B&B reminded me that B&B didn’t air in Seattle until 1995 when the CBS affiliate changed. Seattle tv was very weird when I lived there - MNF was taped delayed 1 hour to start at 7 Pacific because the geniuses thought people wanted to watch news first.

@Franko LLB did a promo for KMOV that proclaimed that STL was the #1 market for Y&R. The move to 4 pm was in reaction to Oprah and the ratings for Y&R was quite huge. It lasted almost 30 years in the slot until a new company bought the affiliate and moved it. It's too bad because when I'd go back to visit my mom, it was always a good 'shared' experience at that time of day. Couple of odd STL tidbits I recall from growing up: 1) SFT didn't air on the CBS affiliate starting in 1980. It did, however, air for a few weeks when it moved to NBC, but was dropped fast. 2) EON aired AFTER midnight (or later) on the ABC sometime around 1981 - I know this because I got home one night and stumbled on it. It hadn't been on since 1977.

Good. I hope they do get jail time. Funny how these Hollywood elitists preach how regular people should live their lives - no school choice, socialized medicine, green energy, gated communities, armed security guards - and, yet, they don't follow any of those 'ideals.' Why on earth would these celebrities need to scam these universities? Didn't they have plenty of money to pay for tutors, personal coaches, etc. to give their kids even more advantages? C'mon. If their overprivileged children couldn't get into on their own merits and connections, they shouldn't be there in the first place!

I'm behind here, but love the "Draper" name origin. It's funny, but I first saw Edge when the Sky/Jeff Brown story kicked in and I was hooked - it was on late night after Nightline and I happened to tune in. Once I had the opportunity to view the 1978-1980 episodes, I realized the show really got hit with the loss of Logan, Elliott, Draper and, even Steve - all were gone when I first started watching. And Raven sure managed hold her own against all of them.

@j swift You're so right. I've always loved that scene. And what an exit: "so free with beautiful black wings," then out the door. Outstanding camera work keeping focus on SG during the whole speech until she grabs purse on her way out. In many ways, SG's Raven was written like a man - strong, sexual, scotch drinker, aggressive, determined, etc. You'd think 40 years later, soaps would be filled with women like that.

Catherine Bruno just nailed that character and was so sad to see her go. The single episode where Nora gets it is one of the best post-Clown Puppet era. And Nora's speech in front of the camera. I'll never forget watching the video - I jumped out of my chair when it happened.

Does anyone have real data on how many people are streaming the 4 US soaps? Since I cut the cord, I've streamed DAYS/Y&R. Years ago, I streamed B&B when I was traveling. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are pretty good - even if CBS.com is terrible platform. NBC's app is pretty good. Soaps L+Same Day ratings have not dropped nearly the same amount as prime time.

Like Original Steven, Cristal will be bandaged, in a coma and pregnant. Will emerge with recast in 2B.

@ChitHappens I don't think the Colbys are done for. I wish Jeff had been cast with RCR instead. I wouldn't be surprised if Dynasty 17 follows the original and recasts like a daytime soap. No primetime soap came close to the number of major recasts of Dynasty 81. One thing that makes this Dynasty work is the incredible diversity, yet the characters are not all about color/race - though they aren't afraid to address issues either. I hope they don't lose that. But the show does need to make some tweaks in Season 2. Also, Dominique is coming in Season 2. Oh, I wish Vanessa Williams was available instead of being tied to that False Profits series that is on hold. I see Jeff with Kirby, like original. I started watching once it got full season 1. It's definitely not nearly as horrible as people made it sound. Sure, it's campy (it's Dynasty!), but it does move fast, has some great one-liners and has EG and NS. And talk about scandal - making Jeff/Fallon related! Yikes. I'm really curious how it's doing internationally since it's exclusively distributed on Netflix during the regular season. CBS did say it made money for Day 1 because of that deal.

@Mitch I'm so glad someone else felt the same way about Luther's Corners/the farm house, etc. Tuscany, my a--. Did Marland ever visit that part of Illinois? The farm was a nice novelty for the first couple of years, but as all the children became successful, it was ludicrous. I like the idea of the 'rough side' of Oakdale. Even Monticello, of which Oakdale was treated as a suburb, had an urban downtown with questionable bars, seedy motels, the dance studio, etc. I remember when someone gifted Emma with a new refrigerator and for some reason a few weeks later, they tossed it and brought back that old icebox from the 1950s. For being such a 'great' cook, you'd think those kids (and Lily, Cal, Rosanna, etc.) would've gotten Emma the best appliances, etc. It still could've been an interesting set blending the old with the new. It's funny how everyone Emma ended raising/knowing somehow earned, married or had serious money - not a poor one in sight. Though Caleb as a cop was the closest, but even he was middle class and Julie was a model. It just seem ingenious after awhile.

They sure jammed a lot of stuff in the full episode of Alexis. I like that they didn't try to replicate the original Alexis. While NS seemed a bit off at the beginning, she was clearly starting to get her groove as the episode progressed. They're also making a good choice in shifting the rivalry to Alexis-Fallon. EG/NS certainly will be entertaining. I also liked that Alexis really does own Carrington Manor, but Fallon paid off the anesthesiologist to alter the times - and told Alexis to her face! While this Dynasty has it's flaws - it certainly has a lot of energy and is never boring. Like the original, I fully expect at least one or two characters to be recast - most likely one of the Colby kids.

@Chris B I started watching on Amazon Prime around Xmas and I've watched almost 300 episodes in 2 months. I watched part of it on DVD years ago. It's perfect binge material. I have found it interesting how certain key actors were off-screen for several weeks at a time. As I rewatch DS & TEON, it's clear the worst thing to happen to soaps was the 1-hour format.

One big issue with soaps getting released on streaming or other services - the unfortunate use of pop songs starting in early 1980s - the licensing fees are very expensive especially compared to an individual episode's relative worth. I also don't think they are easily 'wiped' from audio tracks based on the way they were filmed and preserved back then. Wasn't this an issue with the DVD sets that were produced a few years ago? I've often wondered how Dark Shadows is doing on streaming services like Amazon (I've been watching) as well as The Doctors on RetroTv. With those soaps, it really helps that they are only 30 minutes - so they are easyier to watch, focus on fewer stories at a time, etc.

I couldn't agree more about Raven during that era - she was written 'like a man' - aggressive, unapologetic and strong. I wish soaps wrote women more like that. Raven's exit was amazing and the name scene stands out as a highlight her run. BTW - Does anyone know why SG left the show at that point? Upon her return, she was clearly being punished by being left out of the new opening credits, which debut months after her return - despite being the main female protagonist. Obviously, that was more that made up in future openings.

Even though she was crowned one of the first 'hair models in soaps,' LL was a huge find for EON. Jody was annoying character at times, but she kept the show young.

I remember reading - back in the day - because SFT was not on in STL, where I lived at the time - that CBS decided they wanted to do something 'new' rather than give SFT, yet another facelift. The hype was that Capitol was going to be the "Dallas" of daytime - getting the primetime launch and opening credits that tried to minimic Dallas. I remember watching it and thinking this show is definitely NOT all that. It had it's moments, but knowing what I know now, CBS gave up a solid show that was pretty compatible with ATWT/GL. (Similar to the way they botch TEON, which was #2 until the timeslot change and then sent to ABC. CBS got nervous when ABC overtook it and lost sight of the fact that their solid line-up was its biggest asset, even though it was 'older.'

I just watched that episode on DVR the other night. SS does NOT age. He looked great and he's 66! A VERY under-appreciated actor. I never got how he didn't land as prime time series regular - particularly on a procedural.

One of the most idiotic decisions a show has made. I never got why they would fire her and buy her out. AA was just the bomb to watch. There must've been some backstage reason why they did it because it made zero sense, but the show was desperate as the ratings really slipped badly after S6/S7.

The show did take a big hit when Miami Vice started to take off. In S4 FC was a top 10 series, the following year it dropped from #10 to #24 while Vice went from #31 to #9. FC tried to make changes to make the show younger, but it didn't work. When Vice was moved to 9/8 (opposite Dallas), FC stablized #23, but the damaged had been done. It's funny, but FC did produce more episodes than Dynasty (227 to 220) and lasted the same number of seasons (9), but FC was always perceived as a timeslot hit (thanks to Dallas), even though the show clearly had a following.

I forgot about Steve. He should've been on my list!

AF was wonderful on TEON. I always hated that she was paired with much older looking FC, who I liked. Just like Nicole, I kind of hoped they would "de-age" Mike by hiring a younger looking, though mature, actor - especially after Edge suffered the "Big 3" loss (Logan, Draper and Elliot in a short period). I didn't realize how much the quick loss of those three actors impacted the show until I saw the old tapes. (I started watching during the Jeff Brown storyline. While LM was obviously a huge find, I know get the void left by those three.)

NBC won't cancel it, unless Mariska quits completely. With the salary purges of the three original cast members in last three seasons, I'm sure the budget is down. Plus, despite it's low overall ratings, it's still one of NBC's highest rated programs.

You have to remember this was 30 years ago - no flipping way. Even Dynasty copped out with Steven once the show became a hit - suddenly he's bi and basically straight, which was fine. (Part of it was the Al Corley somehow gave off sheer sexuality - all the way around; Coleman - not so much in any respect.) It was kind of amazing how KL unwittingly killed off Ciji before they realized the ratings were moving up, up, up (and the demos were getting much better). KL, I believe, finished that season maybe in March or April? Anyway, the production cycle was way ahead and it wasn't until they realized they risked losing the entire young audience they gained. Lisa Hartman truly saved KL at a point when most of it's audience was very old. I always loved that last shot of Ciji picture and then the cut to the dark ocean and her body on the beach. The irony is that when you look at the clip - it doesn't necessarily mean that she's dead! She could have been unconscious, etc. However, I did like all the twists with Cathy Geary (initials C.G. - KL writers' humor).

Apparently there is a reboot in the works..... http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/32608/falcon-crest-reboot-in-the-potential-works/ I disagree that you can't bring dead characters back (Melissa and/of Maggie). Only old folks (like me) remember their deaths. Heck, Melrose Place brought Sydney back to life only to stupidly kill her off. Regardless, it will be interesting to see if this gets picked up.

I still can't believe it's been three years on Tuesday. Try to forget that day. I wish they could've reworked it as a 30-minute show. Oh, well. I was watching the scenes where Emily tells Hunter she the bio-mom and it reminded me how far KMH really came as an actor. Of course, the story was too brief, but a nice memory from 2009 (and there weren't many of them).