Juliajms

But people are going to say a lot of strange things, I don't let what random people say bother me. Just like what you were saying about Arya laughing at Sansa, why let that bother you? It doesn't sound like the people saying these things are posters you have a posting relationship with, so why sweat it? As for Sansa, I don't feel she was kidnapped. There was a second where she looked back and weighed her options and chose to go with Dantos. Under these circumstances she made the right choice. Cersei almost certainly would have had her killed. Maybe she should have left town with The Hound, but for all we know he wouldn't have been honorable and taken her to her family. It kills me to think she and Arya might have met up if she did go with him though. The Hound did kill Micah, but if he hadn't he would have been killed. He sure isn't Ned Stark who would defy his king before killing a child.

What can I say, I'm pretty uninterested in most of the GoT's sex scenes. There's no shock factor because I literally cannot be shocked by anything sexual. So in the end, it left me pretty bored. It was a couple people having group sex with prostitutes. Next!

I guess because it doesn't feel like a big deal to me.

I doubt she's going to see him any differently going forward. If she does, it will be because he doesn't do what she wants him to do. IMO, Jaime loves Cersei more than she loves him. As Jaime said, he's only been with one woman. Cersei told Ned that she loved Robert in the beginning. She was sleeping with Lancel when Jaime was imprisoned. She's much more Tywin's child than Jaime is, imo. Jaime wants to be honorable, even though he's failed. Cersei thinks that's childish. The Hound is an interesting case. I don't think he's a monster by any stretch. In this world, I give people as much credit for what they don't do, as the things they do. The Hound could have raped, kidnapped and sold Sansa. He could rape Arya and sell her back to Tywin for more money then he'll ever get out of Lysa. He doesn't know she's crazy as a bed bug. He's selling her back to her aunt because he things she'll be safe. That doesn't make him a hero, but he's right, there are a lot worse people out there.

I know she had one of his children. That's why I said she stopped having sex with him when she fell out of love with him. She told Ned that. We have no reason to believe that Robert raped her. She had her own reason for being in that marriage until she decided to exit via wine and wild boar. No doubt Robert and Cersei had a toxic relationship, but I have a hard time seeing her as a victim who couldn't or wouldn't help herself, considering she did just that when it suited her. Do you need self defense lessons to scratch someone when your hands are free, instead of kissing them?

Gotcha. I can't get behind calling that kind of thing rape. As far as I know wives still humor their husbands now and again by having sex with them when they really aren't in the mood. Cersei even said that she finished Robert off in other ways, so that she wouldn't have his babies, after she didn't love him anymore. It sounded to me like he was generally too drunk to care who he was having sex with or what kind of sex it was. Frankly, I think if Cersei thought Robert was raping her, she would have had him killed much sooner. That's why, I didn't see the Jaime thing is rape either. As if Cersei wouldn't have scratched his eyes out if she didn't want it.

Here's an interesting article on the Cersei and Jaime scenes. It's odd though because I don't remember Robert ever raping Cersei, not sure what the interviewer is talking about there. http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/game-of-thrones-director-on-the-rape-sex-scene.html?mid=twitter_vulture

Another thing I found interesting was Davvos writing to the Iron Bank of Bravvos. I have no idea what is going on there (either it didn't happen in the books or I don't remember). The Queen of Thornes mentioned them to Tywin and implied he should be afraid. I wonder if Joquin (I can't spell these names, I mean the guy who could change his face) is an assassin for that bank.

I thought it was interesting that at first Cersei seemed like she was trying to seduce Jaime into killing Tyrion. Then she pulled away and said "not here". I don't know, I guess I don't feel compelled to label this encounter one way or the other. What matters to me is how Cersei sees it going forward and if it changes Jaime and Cersei in any way. I wonder what Petyr's planning for Sansa? I guess she's slightly better off with him, but I think she' still in big trouble. I'm sorry they've made the wildings so brutal. I can't really root for them to get safely south when they're eating people in front of their children.

Considered rape by whom? Pretty sure the answer is going to depend on who you ask, as this thread shows. I had no idea we were supposed to think that Brienne is in love with Jaime. I did think it was interesting that he took note of the talk between she and Cersei. I think he knows that Cersei will come for Brienne, if she gets the chance. I was really pissed when Darrio killed the horse. Horses do not fair well on this show, which I suppose is realistic. Couldn't he have aimed for the idiot on the horse though? Tywin continues to be a piece of work. He couldn't even let grooming the next King wait one day. Poor Tommen, you can tell he's a sweet boy, I hate to see him on the Iron Throne. I think he's very lucky that the Tyrell's still want an alliance. At least he'll have a smart, kind wife.

What really shocks me about Porsha getting arrested is it means the show isn't 100% fake. I always figured it was. I mean sure, it might still be 90% fake, but some real things are happening. I'm astounded. I can believe Kenya has a boyfriend. She's very pretty, funny and has some fame and money. Finding a decent husband who can give her what she wants in life is another matter. Not that the fault is in her, but that's just hard to find generally. Lord knows Phaedra, Nene and Porsha haven't managed it yet.

I don't think Dany is anything like these characters. Hell, I don't even think these characters have much in common with each other. Joff was entitled little sadist, who thought he could terrorize the population into submission. I never saw Robb as arrogant, he knew he was the underdog and he didn't even want the iron throne. He didn't have the will to rule Westeros and had already agreed to an alliance with Renly and would have probably done the same with Stannis. All he really wanted to do was go home and be the King in the North, which basically meant being Lord of Winterfell. His mistake was falling in love and not realizing how treacherous Tywin and Lord Walder could be or that Bolton would stab him in the back. And of course, he was cursed as a kinslayer when he killed Lord Karstark, so that didn't bode well for him either. Oh, and then there was the part where Mellisandre offered his name and Joff's name to The Lord of Light with Gandrey's (King's) blood. Guess Robb was cursed coming and going. Like I said before Dany started as a slave on her knees, that's the big difference. She is a leader because people chose to follow her willingly based on her abilities. She's made some mistakes but at least she learns from them, unlike Joff. She also takes responsibility for the welfare of her people, unlike Joff. The fact that Ser Barriston and Ser Jorah think she should rule is pretty telling. I'm not sure even Cersei thought Joff should rule. If anything, I'd say this story has a bias towards people who are in a bad situation at the start and then build themselves up, instead of having everything handed to them only by right of birth. That's what Dany and Jon have in common. It also seems possible that Theon falls into this group. It's too soon to say, but he started off a hostage of the Starks, now he's being tortured, I think redemption is possible if he survives.

I think she could die before the end of the series, but I agree, not until the final showdown. To me Dany's story is interesting because we're watching her change from someone who was abused by her brother and sold to Drogo, into someone who can lead. I also like it that she's not too perfect. Once someone has betrayed her, she doesn't have much in the way of mercy for them. For example, sealing Doreah into that chamber in season 2 seemed so harsh. I guess I don't feel like keeping her on the other side of the world is really a stall. The dragons need to grow, Dany needs a real army if she's going to take Westeros and ships to get there. Right now she still doesn't have enough soldiers, she doesn't have any allies in Westeros and she doesn't really know how to be a queen. I feel it would be a cheat, if we didn't see how she learns these things. Why not? They killed Robb. I think we're following Jon to get an eye on what's going on in the north, but we also have Sam and Bran for that, so Jon could go. I feel like Rickon will be important in some way, but I have no idea how. Maybe he'll be lord of Winterfell when all the wars are over.

I wonder what turned Cersei against Pycell? She always sort of humored him with just a bit of disdain. Maybe it's just the drinking that Jaime mentioned. Anyway, I was glad that she sent him away. I liked that it was Cersei and Jaime with Joff at the end. Yes, he was a little monster who had it coming, but at least his parents were with him at the last. Vee- Thanks for answering my question. I'll say no more on that front. On the Bolton front, it's interesting that neither Bolton nor his bastard (can't think of his name) seem to fear each other. I'd be terrified if I were either one of them. I really need someone to come in and save the north from those monsters. Not sure what I think of Bran's story. This feels like the weak link to me. The one part of this show that is completely predictable if you've ever read this type of fantasy novel. Maybe GRRM will prove me wrong.

I'm very curious as to who you think did it, because I think the motive couldn't be clearer. I'd go so far as to say the show dumbed it down, although it's always easier to say that in hindsight. Still, this is one area I'll stay away from since I do know who did it and if you told me who you think it is, it might end up in spoiling. I definitely think it's wrong for people to know an what happened to speculate in any way.

But if you ever do read the books, I think you'll like them. They are much better (imo) because they have time to go into the sort of emotional depth that the show never can. Even the first scenes were the boys find the wolves are so much more nuanced in the books. I also think the mistakes the children are making are a lot more forgivable because they actually are children. Dany finds out she's pregnant on her 13th birthday. Jon and Rob are about 15. On the show they look about 25, that makes a huge difference, but I certainly understand why it was necessary. I sympathize with people who need the show to truly adhere to the books though. It's just not possible for so many reasons. For the most part I don't sweat it, I just look at the show as an alternate universe. I'm glad I read the books first, but soon we're all going to be seeing the show before we've read the material, imo. Maybe that's for the best, so no one will be spoiled on the major mysteries of the series or how things end.

I think Cersei enjoyed it because it was a slap in the face to Tyrion and she truly hates him. She's still mad he sent her daughter to Dorne on top of blaming her for their mother. She's also a bit off her rocker and Tywin and Margaery are making it worse by taking away her power. Margaery took her place as queen and Cersei isn't having that. If she was lead by her brains and not her emotions, she would have realized how lucky she was that Joff had a wife who could manage him. Now Tommen is King and Cersei has more power again. That boy actually listens to his mother. When Tyrion told Joff to get in there and fight the little people himself, I expected him to behead one of them. I'm very glad that didn't happen. I think Tyrion was pretty drunk and upset to suggest something so reckless. I think the Tyrells will be just fine. They have all the money and all the food and Loras is the best knight in Westero, now that Jaime is hurt. As I remember it, the Theon in the book didn't even know his name anymore he was so brainwashed. The thing about Melisandre is I'm not even sure she's bad. She certainly believes that Stannis is the chosen one and will save the world from the white walkers. I think the lord of light is a brutal god, a lot like the old testament god.

I don't believe Shae got on the boat, at the very least she didn't stay on it. Tyrion is smart, but he can't outsmart Tywin, he admitted that himself. The problem I see is that this world is getting too big. It's been an issue all along, but I really feel it all the more this season. It's impossible to stay true to the books, I'm fine with that. Now it seems almost impossible to even keep up with the world the show has created. I hope they manage to keep it together somehow. I think that we should be able to talk about theories and speculation openly, since none of the major mysteries have been solved in the books.There is no chance of spoiling. If you think differently read no further: I know some people think that Cersei and Jamie are Targaryens. I suspect it's Tyrion, but it could very well be none of them. Joff didn't have to be a Targaryen to be a mad king. No one knows, except GRRM and maybe TPTB at the show. As far as tonight's episode, it was the right time for Joff to go imo. I know losing the character will upset a lot of people, but he had it coming. Interesting that Maegery seems a truly good and intelligent person. I've never been sure what to make of her.

She didn't point out the emptiness of freedom, she pointed out the emptiness of life when freedom and everything else has been taken from you. Dany was pretty much never in a position to free the healer or her people. She did what she could to lesson their suffering, but Drogo was in charge. Before she burned the healer, she did give everyone left the chance to leave. Not sure what else she could have done for them other than give them a choice. I do think Dany did learn some real lesson about what war is from that whole experience. It's never going to be clean and if she wanted clean she could have just stayed at Quath and set up a kingdom there. At the end of the day, all of these people are living under either a slave system or a feudal system. Only in the far north are what modern day times would call free and I doubt that Dany or Jon will change that.

I'd be very surprised. Every time Dany frees slaves she gives them a choice. It's not like she really wants set up a colonial system. I do think Dany is going to be in over her head a bit, but I don't think this show is ever going to tell us she made a mistake by giving people their freedom from "the masters". Where they've gone wrong for me is making most of the people she's freeing darker skinned because that draws too many comparisons to modern history. ETA: I think the main way the show justifies Dany being a savior of slaves is that when we first met her she was being sold to Drogo as a sex slave. She managed to turn that situation to her advantage by making him fall in love with her, but she started as a slave on her knees being raped by a "master."

Yes, Elia was married to Rhaegar Targaryen. Notice that Oberyn said that "he left her for another woman". This supports the theory that Rhaegar had taken Lyanna Stark as either a mistress or another wife. The idea being that Lyanna died giving birth to Jon Snow and made Ned vow to claim him, so that Robert wouldn't hurt him. I'm convinced this is why they made such a point of showing that Robert was willing to kill Targaryen children. The fly in the ointment is when Jon killed the white walker with fire and it burned his hand.

Didn't she know that Glenn got away? Maggie left Glenn in the bus to find Beth, so Maggie did risk her own life to find her. Then Maggie found the bus and Glenn wasn't in it, so she had reason to think he was alive. Plus, let's be real, Glenn is a survivor. I compared Beth to Judith for a reason. lol. Even Daryl is basically assuming that Beth is dead at this point, but I think when he tells Maggie he's seen her alive, since the prison, she'll want to know who took her sister. On a side note, it's insane that these people don't have a rendezvous point, since losing Andrea a few seasons ago.

I think Maggie believes Beth is dead. I see a lot of people complaining that Maggie doesn't care about Beth, but she got off the bus and left Glenn to look for Beth. When she didn't find her, I think she assumed the worst and I can't blame her for that. It's similar to Rick assuming that Judith is dead. imo.

When that scene first aired, I was really pissed that people were just giving up and committing suicide. Now I think those people were the ones with the best foresight. I certainly think Andrea would have been better off, if she had died at the CDC like she wanted to. I wonder if the bones we saw were Beth's? I also wonder what that room with the candles was about.

Was the lady who greeted them at the end pregnant? I can imagine Terminus as some sort of breeding farm. Beth would be a prime candidate to be taken by those kinds of nuts.