Juliajms

Ugh, and I hope I'm wrong but I imagine it's going to be awhile before a woman gets another shot at the top of he ticket.

I know, this is so hard. I thought I was too cynical to cry over an election, but I found myself doing just that this afternoon.

The evil part of me hopes Trump takes revenge on the Republicans who didn't support him. I'm sure I'll be over these ugly thought in a day or two.

He was pro Hillary in the article I posted. He was just saying why the thought Trump would win, not why he should. I don't know why he would regret it when he said some flat out awful things about Trump and said he was voting for Hillary, even though he had once sworn he wouldn't. I don't see anything in there that is even slightly pro Trump.

I don't know, but that article I just posted was spot on.

After reading this, I think Michael Moore is clairvoyant. He really nailed it. http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

I hope so too or that there is another program you will qualify for.

I'm sorry. With any luck it will take them awhile to repeal the ACA.

The sad thing is I can hardly name one serious policy Trump is going to enact. He changed his mind so much I'm not even sure what he's planning. I guess we can look forward to Christie and Guliani in some roll. Awesome.

I don't think that's going to take long at all.

I'm having a hard time processing this. I feel like I need to understand the details of exactly how this happened and how so many people got it wrong. I guess for now it's time for ambien and sleep.

I never said that. Anyone who reads this thread consistently knows I've been skeptical of Hillary. The problems go back far past the email investigation. What I said is I don't think Bernie (who I liked) or Biden would have necessarily won. Not that we'll ever know for sure now, but let's not forget Bernie is a Jew. Not just a Jew, but almost certainly an atheist (as am I) and I doubt he was going to lie about that, which polls consistently show is a no go. Hillary never pressed him on it in the primaries, which is why it wasn't an issue.

I can imagine. Plus all of the refugees who are going to be turned away. Then we have issues like climate change, Obamacare, so many reasons to be depressed tonight.

I understand why people are afraid, but this is not going to turn into Nazi Germany. It's going to be ugly, but there is not going to be systematic murder. Our President does not have anywhere near that kind of power. No matter how much I don't like the Republicans there is no reason to think they have murder on their minds. More people will probably be deported and it will be harder for immigrants to come here, but that is not the same as mass murder.

I know that's true, but at the same time I'm not sure I believe Sanders or Biden would have won either. He said some nasty thing about Hillary, but he didn't flat out bully her the same way he did his Republican opponents. Apparently his staff told him that would come off badly. He would have been free to go all out of a male opponent. I don't know, I guess I do think this was like Brexit. People wanted change no matter the cost.

Same here. Carl and QFan, you were right. I knew that HRC had a lot of baggage and high negatives, but I just couldn't fathom that people would just such a blatant liar and scam artist over her.

I agree with you Vee. Assuming he doesn't use the nukes we will come back from this. People joke about leaving the country, but I would never leave in times of trouble (and my family could go to Israel).

^ Damn, that is such a high number of white women. I think that the press spent so much time talking about the power of the Latino vote and how angry women were at his misogyny, that I really did not see him winning at all.

Yes, and however this turns out, all of my respect for that. Can it really be true that many white women voted for Trump? I also don't complete understand how the white working class had enough people to pull this off. I guess once it's all over we'll get a better breakdown as to how this happened, but I feel like there were hidden Trump voters among the educated.

That song "It's a Sign of the Judgement" has been in my head for most of the night. Anyone who saw True Detective (season one) probably knows it.

I don't think the person on PBS thought it was funny though. They all look a little sick to their stomachs over there. It's just that they actually talk about policy unlike CNN. And yes, Trump has flat out said he is coming for the press, which is one of the reasons I consider him a demagogue.

PBS was just talking about if Trump could convince the Republican congress to pay for the wall.

Ezra Klein ‏@ezraklein 17m17 minutes ago For all the folks blaming various vote totals on Gary Johnson, he may be drawing from Trump, not Clinton.

He just lied so much, I don't understand why people didn't see through it. It's incredibly frustrating.

Right. For so many reasons Americans are not moved by that kind of argument at all. We won't always be the world's only super power, but for right now that's just the way it is. I think people like Noam Chomsky and Arundhati Roy are spot on in that sense. If this were the Hunger Games, we'd be The Capital.