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I doubt NBC would wipe out episodes by 1980...the norm by then was not to do that. Did NBC confirm those episodes are wiped out?

I wish the vacations on the housewife shows were more like the spin-off 'Welcome to Crappie Lake"... because when I watch the girls vacations on the franchises... I wonder to myself 'why would you consider these people your friends if all they do is cause drama and fight all the time'. I think the shows should go back to the earlier seasons where there was one huge cast trip near the end of the season.. where you could have fun and air out some grievances that had been festering for the season. Of course, the shows would need to do away with the contrived gatherings in every episode in order to build the anticipation and excitement.

And the twist was that Daphne's long dead sister Joanna was more interesting...and we had a few episodes where we wondered if she were truly dead or not. The Samantha/Joanna element was short lived..imho. Guiding Light: basically most of 1998 to 2000...if there was a story ..Reva would be involved and become the focus.

My first memory of summertime soap opera viewing was summer of 1991. AMC: Janet from another planet.. along with Hayley/Brian as the teen couple. That soap was my go to soap that summer. 1991 Summer promo running on CBS was 'Try Me'. It started in the summer and it ran into 1992.

Oh wow... this was unexpected

The problem with both Tamra and Heather is that neither are authentic. The last episode was so paint by numbers that I was so happy to see Emily in a scene with Shane and her daughter. It was a nice scene and a nice relief from all the contrived BS of the Montana trip. And I don't want them to 'work's. I want to see all the women be themselves and not interact with one another. I want 1 episode where none of the women talk to one another, no mentions of a party or trip, just a peek into their lives. I want to see Heather's daughter Kat (the 16 year old) learn to drive with uptight Heather, Shannon with Archhe/John/daughters, Tamra/Eddie adjusting to life post Cut Fitness, Emily as a stay at momager, Gina/Travis trying to sell a house, Jen with her kids and her ex/boyfriend, and for fun...Taylor with her daughter Kennedy. 1 episode like this for all franchises would be nice.

I think it dawned on wig that it probably would cost more to divorce than stay together

And also in season 1, she hinted to Mauricio she wanted another baby...so that adds more weight to Allison's prediction that kids were their only connection

Allison said Kyle would be married twice...she didn't say she would stay with Mauricio forever...just that she would only be married twice. And he's been checked out for awhile now..and I bet the season 4 rumors weren't a rumor.

According to the original bible of the first six to nine months of story projections...Maggie/Joe was not even a thing...and that Carolyn/Joe were eventually to marry with the class differences between the two becoming the conflict in their marriage. Over all, I think the show noticed Maggie/Joe had more chemistry and spent several weeks slow burning them (i.e. going from friends to lovers). Because the original arc was changed...Carolyn was aimless especially after the Jason McGuire story concluded..and her mother/daughter conflict with Liz was resolved. And in that Zoom holiday reunion special, Alexandra Moltke stated how she managed to get out of her contract with the show. Apparently it wasn't due to pregnancy difficulties..but not being paid for all the episodes she had a voice over for and didn't actually appear in the episode....her lawyer told her this.

I'm wondering if these movies to soap proposals were going to be more like a telenovela where it would be 3 to 6 months per soap?

Unpopular opinion but I think Miami needed a slight cast change...Larsa really has no business being on the show. In fact, all the housewife shows need cast alterations every season.

RHOC: Shannon at the Crystal store is why I'll never not like her. Me thinks the editors did the fire and water scene as a foreshadowing of the end of their relationship. Her look when Tamra was talking to her was realistic...because no way I'd be anxious to hug her. Heather is insecure...and when she's insecure... she becomes condescending. Her daughter Max is just like her. I will give her a point for Def con analogy with Tamra. We all know nothing makes Tamra more insecure than a OC blonde..and Jen is that. I do sense some spunk and backbone with Jen...so it won't be like Gretchen or Alexis. And Gina should really be a bit less judgy with her DUI and allegedly doing something physical to her boyfriend. I did like the family scenes

It sounds like Robert/Iris was another version of Robert/India on Somerset. Didn't Robert break free from India because she was too status conscious and went for Jessica? And was Jessica level headed like Lenore..or more like Clarice in terms of personality?

I wonder who Todd Williams would have been tempted by... that would cause Mary Williams severe anxiety that made the anxiety she felt about Paul's escapades pale in comparison? I think the Williams family had an interesting set up that sadly got lost in the expansion to an hour in 1980. We had the working class cop Carl, his stay at home traditional wife Mary, their oldest son Steven that followed the more traditional teachings of his family, their son Todd that was studying to be a priest, the rebellious son Paul, and then the youngest Patty that was young and naive. I often wonder if Bell had watched Saturday Night Fever since a lot of the early Williams structured seem to be modeled after the Manero family in the movie. Blue collar rough around the edges dad, the eldest son studying to be a priest (who briefly steps back from being a priest to experience the real world), the younger son that loved dancing/women, and then the youngest daughter.. who was the observant young girl observing this family structure.

The Macy/Thorne/Anthony/Ivana story was probably the best of the stories going on in early 1995.. followed by Sheila's final descent of terror before she was exposed in mid 1995. Both stories provided welcome/relief from the neverending Brooke/Ridge/Taylor saga.

I recall Eva's small bubble of cast-mates that she interacted with on a consistent basis was usually Paul, Michael, Chris, Mary, and eventually Diane. She did have some interaction with Lauren and Nikki (in fact, Nikki did caution Paul not to move to fast with Isabella). So it made sense she and Eric didn't know of one another on the set. And sometimes Eric needs to be brought down a peg or two..

Soaps always continue production during strikes so the WGA picketers need to go away and focus on something else.

RHOC Miss DUI Gina certainly isn't judging someone for a mistake..nah..couldn't be. Tamra and Shannon face to face should have been held off till at least the 3rd or 4th episode. Anticipation is what this show needs. With that said...what Heather and Tamra don't get is both of them attacking Shannon makes the audience side with Shannon as the lesser of two evils. Who knew Shannon of all people 'threw Tamra under the bus'...and Tamra is so bothered by her...moreso then she was by Gretchen. #priceless

Pointless character... and a noose around Erica Kane's neck. Hopefully his character is single and can finally shed his co dependence on Erica.

I think Althea proved Hubbard could act and play a character unlike herself... while I viewed Lucinda as an extension of Hubbard.. especially as time went on.

Emma started off cold and harsh when she debuted on ATWT, and for some reason, Marland and co decided to soften her and make her warm and flighty person. I think it kind of undercut any potential the character could have had long term after Marland passed away. Cal/Lucinda had a fling after he/Emma broke up. I think he was starting to date Lyla, who wasn't ready for a long term relationship right after Casey's death so he and Lucinda had a fling. Then I think he decided he really liked Lyla and broke up with Lucinda.

I like that Zach/Jack gave some more development/dimension to Taylor then just the resident shrink or Brooke's rival for Ridge. Seeing her with both her father/brother gave Taylor other characters to interact with. It gave her equal development to Brooke in terms of having family to be around. I do recall Zach/Felicia's relationship brings out Stephanie's disapproval and controlling ways... but I recall it will be presented differently then it was with Brooke/Ridge.

Lily was always Craig's biggest advocate with Lucinda/Sierra just as much as Sierra was the mediator between Lily/Lucinda. So to have Craig treat Lily the way that he did just contradicted the history between Craig/Lily. It was acceptable that he/Rose didn't jive because of the lack of history.. but Lily/Craig were always good friends. I do remember Grant Coleman being the red herring for causing the gaslighting of Lisa after Earl's vanished.. but I remember my mom saying that there was no way Grant would ever do anything that vile to Lisa. She had said that Grant was Lisa's true love.. and that the break up of their marriage due to Joyce was the thing that caused Lisa to become the anti heroine in the 80s and thereafter.

Based on how Tangie ended up going into the Holly/Roger/Blake orbit... instead of Tangie being his ward/foster child... I think maybe Marcy could have been Blake's cousin Emily.... she could have still had that tension with Roger... and been conflicted over the Holly/Fletcher hook up and keeping it quiet.