Anyone still watching The View?

[Bree]

I don't watch that train wreck of a show, but apparently Kelly Monaco was on this week and had to defend herself against Elisabeth, who seems to be stuck in this 1950s mentality. Here's what a viewer from Media Domain's TV Talk board had to say:

It started out that it was Joy Behar's 24th anniversary living together with her guy Steve, -they aren't married and don't plan to get married. Turned out Kelly Monaco has been living with a dude for about 15 years. Monaco remarked that she "feels married, as much or more than some couples I know who are legally married" - something to that effect.

Ooooh, them's fightin' word to our Bitsy! Not only that, Monaco was musing about how she and her boyfreind have "fun crushes", like on fantasy people, not on people they know, that they allow each other, on "unattainable" types. Sounded like George Clooney, Angelina Jolie type of territory. well, Bitsy, said that was opening the door to disaster, and that HER husband Tim did not fantasize about other women, and SHE (Bitsy) did not fantasize about other men, because "that's how infidelity starts". Monaco was pretty assertive and surprisingly articulate (go figure.) She said she felt autonomy was important and you didn't need a piece of paper and Stuff it Up Your Uptight Ass, Bitsy. LOL

Oh....my....Gawd. Lollipop Head is such a throwback (throw - up) to the 1950's.

Then TODAY, a reporter from ABC named Deborah Roberts was the guest host. Roberts is married to Al Roker from NBC's Today Show. The subject came up in Hot Topics of "what if you found your mate had a stash of pornography...what would you do?" Joy and Deborah were pretty even about it. It depended, "was this a once in a while thing, was it an obsession, was it garden variety stuff, was it weird stuff"..etc etc. Bitsy was all....MY HUSBAND Tim has NO interest in anything like that, and if I found anything like that, I would hit him over the head with it. [she was trying to be cute saying that. ugh.]

And then asked about - "that if it was just Playboy?" She as like - "Oh No WAY, then he would be comparing me to those girls in there and masturbating while he's thinking of them." Joy was like "Oh come on, that's not necessarily the case." Deborah Roberts thought that was a little extreme also. Roberts also said it was a little naive to think that in a football locker room, the occasional Playboy issue doesn't get tossed about. Bitsy said that Tim has no interest in looking at that. She knows Tim, and Tim is only interested in looking at Her.

Boy, "Bitsy" seems like a piece of work!

[Chanel]

Sometime I can't believe she was on survivor.

[Kay]

She's totally deluded if she thinks her husband doesn't look at attractive women. That's human nature. It's when they start acting on it that becomes an issue. She's a flippin' idiot. I don't know what demographic that !@#$%^&*] is supposed to be representing. Talk about a stick up your ass!

[Ryan]

"That blonde chick on the right" has serious insecurities that she needs to deal with.

[JER Soaps Fan]

I disagree. It's not about insecurities. IF you want to be straitlaced and perfectly committed, then, I'm sorry, but Elizabeth is right. A man should only have eyes for his lady love. Because the Playboys and the porno and the "allowances" for crushes and secret sex fantasies really can open the door to disaster, as she said.

The only one who needs to get off her high horse is this GH chick. She sounds like a piece of work! I'm sorry but you're NOT married if, well, you're NOT married. A true commitment comes when you surround yourself around family and friends and declare it. Why? Because that makes you accountable for that commitment. So sorry, GH chica, you're not anything like a married couple. And, oh yeah, get over YOself.

[Ryan]

Just because someone isn't married doesn't mean that they aren't committed. Marriage is nothing but a formality anyway. When you love someone you don't have to shout it out for the world to see. When you love someone, you don't have to proclaim your love for them in front of friends and family to see b/c love should be between them. No offense, but your point makes no sense JSF. How many married people cheat on their spouses. They are responsible for that committment but they choose to break it.

ALL men look at other women (and women look at other men). Those who say they don't are lying. There is nothing wrong with fantasizing because fantasizing is not cheating. Fantasizing, watching porn, having fantasy crushes do NOT open the door to disaster because if someone wants to cheat, they will. Marriage vows don't make someone go "you know what, I'm married. I can't do this".

It's people like her who end up surprised when their spouse cheats on them.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Well, I disagree, Ryan. But what else is new?

If you're liberal, I can see why someone would think porn, fantasies of other women and things like that aren't going to open the door for affairs. After all, that's the point of liberalism. To be sexually liberated and free and believe there are no boundaries. If you're conservative on the other hand (such as Elizabeth and I), then you believe that commitment is most precious when it's truly just one man in love with his woman and vice versa. Yes, you can look. Obviously, anyone can look. But when you open that door to Playboy and sexual fantasies of other women, think about it--it's like the gateway drugs. People start with fantasizing about other women->then Playboy becomes okay->then that's not enough so they move onto porn->then that's not enough so they move onto the gritty, hardcore stuff->then they find orgies fascinating->it becomes a fetish->they want to swing and can't be with one woman anymore.

No, this doesn't happen to everybody, but it is documented as happening. Porn can become an addiction, and porn can open the gateway to other things. If you're willing to do one thing, you (general you) soon realize you're willing to do other things, and ultimately, you're spinning out of control. So that's why I get Elizabeth's theory. If you want to not have that temptation and not explore that possibility of spinning out of control, just stay faithful.

But back to where my point makes no sense, right? I shouldn't have harped on commitment for so long because that's clearly where my point got muddled. I never said you couldn't be committed, in some sense, just by living together, as evidently GH chica does. I criticized her line that she "feel like she's married." Once again, HA. Girlfriend had no ceremony in front of family and friends. There's no real accountability in the eyes of the public. I get where 'Bitsy' is coming from, and her 'married' perspective. She knows it was a silly comparison, and frankly I agree.

Not if she has a good man who believes the things she does.

[Chris B]

Bitsy is an idiot, nobody takes what she says seriously. If you look at Joy, whenever Bitsy makes one of her stupid comments, she rolls her eyes and ignores her. This is the same woman who compared gay marriage to being married to a toaster. She needs mental help.

I cannot believe they picked this idiot over strong conservative Rachel Campos who was runner up. I wonder if they purposely picked her so they wouldn't have a strong conservative? Everyone thought either she or Erin Hershey Presley had the job.

In a couple weeks Debbie (original cohost) will be back as a guest host, I wonder if SHE could replace Bitsy? Will be interesting to see! Still pulling for Renee Goldsberry as well.

[Ms. Walsh]

First off, thanks to getting a new job, I'll probably never have to watch the View again.

Secondly, I saw that episode w/ Kelly, and as usual, Elisabeth just started trouble.

Personally, I don't think I'll ever get married. Many people look at marriage through a utopian lens, and once they get there, they realize just how imperfect it really is. People can be committed to one another in every other sense but the law. What does it matter?

And as for not looking through porn, I think that Elisabeth is incredibly naive. First off, she and her husband haven't been married that long, so of course she's still at the level where she's going to believe that her husband doesn't look at other women...and maybe that's true. But, come on, her husband is a football player. I can't imagine that there are times when he's at an away game where he doesn't look at other women. It's human nature: men and women both do it. What's important is that you don't act on these impulses.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Exactly, Ms. Walsh. I don't see anything wrong with looking but it's the acting on impulses--which, I'm sorry, does include masturbation to other woman and then gateway porn addictions.

[Drew]

and with that statement goes any credibility you may have held.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Oh, come now, Drew. At least give a little effort to debate me.

But switching back to topic, an old SNL sketch starring Ana Gasteyer and Molly Shannon also helps to prove why Kelly Monaco LOST this fight.

"She didn't get the ring."

Elizabeth-500; Kelly 'The Know-it-All Monaco: A big, honkin' ZERO!!

Just get married already, Kells. Unless of course you're afraid your boyfriend WON'T commit.

[King]

I hate Elisabeth it's not even funny. I've always hated her - even on Survivor before I knew ANY of her beliefs!

[All My Shadows]

Has she realized that she is a token yet?

[Danni]

I was wondering if you realize how laughable that little slippery slope argument is. I look at porn a lot. Hell, I give my boyfriend porn to look at. Doesn't mean I'm off to find some random orgy.