19 Ways to be a good Democrat

[Kwing42]

1) You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

2) You have to believe that businesses create oppression and government creats properity.

3) You have to believe that guns in the hands of law abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of the Chinese and North Korean communists.

4) You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5) You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.

6) You have to believe that AIDS is spread by a lack of Federal spending.

7) You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

8) You have to believe that hunters do not care about nature, but urban activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

9) You have to believe that self esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

10) You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make The Passion of the Christ for financial gain only.

11) You have to believe that the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

12) You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

13) You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

14) You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and a very nice person.

15) You have to believe that the only reason Socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people have not been in charge.

16) You have to believe that manager scenes at Christmas should be illegal, while everything EXCEPT that is ok.

17) You have to believe that illegal Democratic Funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

18) You have to believe that John Kerry's purple hearts are legitimate, and that a Massachusetts Senator more liberal than Teddy Kennedy could have been elected President.

19) You have to believe that this message was part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.

[R!ck]

Cute

[DevotedToAMC]

Gee and what would you classify as normal? Nuking nations left to right while changing the mission from WMDs to freedom and democracy in Iraq when we cannot even be free in our freaking nation?

You are just upset at the fact that HRC happens to be a damn intelligent woman who ran The White House for eight years after Reagan and Bush, Sr. messed it up by selling nukes to Hussein and playing Star Wars BS as well as provide assistance to the contras (re: Iran-Contra Affair)

In regards to no. 1 about capital punishment and abortion...you do recognize that women get abortions from violent attacks such as rape and therefore allowed to make their own choices about their own body. Would you like it if some government official or agency prevented you from getting a vastectomy? Capital punishment and abortion are two separate hemispheres since one is about a woman's right while the other is about justice....so for example, in the Stanley Tookie Williams case, the justice in his execution went out to all the people he killed and/or was an accomplice of as a founder of the Crips.

Abortion is an issue of privacy and choice for the woman....whether you agree or disagree with it is inmaterial from a legal point of view. It would be grossly unfair to deny a woman her own say in an elective procedure just as it would for a doctor to inform a man that he must keep his vas deferens in tact to sire more babies, some of whom come from an unwanted pregnancy...imagine being put in a position where the govt. casts a vote in your health care...wouldn't you want to make the decision? This is a woman's choice that thankfully came about after many years of hardfought battles to ensure equality for women of all backgrounds. HOWEVER, states like Missouri and South Dakota are now passing bans on abortion when it is stare decisis in Roe v. Wade? EXCUSE ME?! You cannot simply just rewrite precedent that is as of now the law of the land...the case ultimately belongs to the USSC for a final vote, which may right now wind up overturning Roe....no matter what happens, abortions will remain prevalent throughout society, legal or illegal....you cannot force women to submit to an uncertainty, especially that as emotionally driven as a pregnancy.

You can be pro life that is fine with me-HOWEVER, let's also look at the flipside to this issue...who is going to raise the child of an unwanted pregnancy? Adoption is always a case but not the ultimate decision for all women who elect for an abortion simply because it is THEIR BODY and THEIR DECISION, not yours, the government, the church, any family members

[Rebecca]

If you take out that sarcasm, I'm actually proud of most of this! Thanks!

[SouthOfSoap]

Ummm... I think the author of this confused Socialism with Communism. Neither the Dems nor the Republicans (obviously!) are socialists, especially by European standards. And obviously, neither are Communists. In fact, certain aspects of healthcare, welfare and social security were curtailed severely during the Clinton administration. The rights and benefits of workers and citizens in general in the US are certainly much lesser than those entitled to their equivalent counterparts in other 1st world countries, particularly in respect of statutory annual leave, maternity benefits for women (and paternity benefits for new fathers), unemployment insurance provided by the state, public healthcare, retirement benefits, cost of public tertiary education.

As an example, given the Enron thread, consider this: America was one of only a handful of countries in the world that does not place a statutory limit on how much a company's pension plan may be invested in its own stock - Because Enron's pension plan's major investment was in Enron stock, not only did employees loose their jobs but they also lost their entire retirement savings.

Certain forms of Socialism do work very effectively as witnessed in the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway and even Canada. However note they exist in a capitalistic framework. Also note that the success of such a system requires a steady balance of people working to people receving benefits. In these countries, fertility rates are dropping and people are living longer, placing great stress on the system and jeopardising its sustainability. Ironicaly, the US has the most stable population profile, implying the long term sustainabilty of state benefits social system would be best in the states.

Sorry to be long winded, but heres the crux: By GOP standards, the Dems are socialists - but by world standards, neither are by a long, long way.

[SteveFrame]

As an independant (total independant at that) I find both political threads here very funny. I hate both democrats and republicans and blame the state of our nation on Jesse Jackson, Bill & Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Newt Gingrich and a few others.

I find it totally funny that I look at both the republican thread here and the democrat one that the democrats who posted the republican thread came in and said that republicans would be offended by it. The one republican that posted there found it very funny while here the democrats seemed to have gotten more offended and tried to defend what was being made funny of.

As I said I find the democrats and republicans both at fault for what is going on. I find the whole political system currently in the US to be totally sickening. And the current leaders of both parties are totally revolting and I don't trust any of them. The last great leader that I think this country had was Ronald Reagan. He was the best since Nixon and Kennedy. I long for a 3rd party to come in that mixes the best of both parties and shakes things totally up. Until then I am neither Democrat or Republican.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Amen on everything! So true.

And I'm glad we had a "Republican" and "Democrat" thread like this. At first, I thought we were being bashed without fairness, such as a thread like this one. So thanks!

[Ryan]

Your post was cute Kwing. Loved the sarcasm.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Regarding abortion, Devoted, I disagree. Abortion is LEGALLY "an issue of privacy and choice for the woman." That doesn't mean the Supreme Court's legal decision is right. I don't care if it's precedent. Any abortion -- i.e. killing a human being, because that's what it is -- is no different from killing a person outside of the womb. Should we say, for instance, that "murders are bound to happen, so let's make them a legally protected 'choice'" I wouldn't. I think not. Another problem is, I'm not sure many people have SEEN abortion. Google the word "abortion" and one will see what this practice really is all about. It's not about a woman's choice. It's about murder. Now, I would sumbit that the woman getting an abortion isn't cold and calculating, but I'd also believe that if women actually knew what happens -- actually see what happens -- in abortion, such as human beings whose clearly defined arms and legs are sucked and detached from their precious bodies, they'd realize this "choice" is a selfish decision that some feminists have lauded as moral just to get away with murder so they could have a childless lifestyle. Besides, if Roe is overturned (and I just have to believe that most Americans will soon wake up and realize that it should be), it wouldn't be changing a precedent so much as it will be returning to the precedent: that murder, in all instances, is illegal.

[Ryan]

Do not turn this thread into something other than what it was meant to be. It was meant to me satircal and sarcastic. And just a warning to all (just to inform), personal attacks will not be tolerated.

[Sweet_VeeVee24]

A part of me is glad that I'm not completely knowledgable on politics

[Keith]

As far as abortion, I believe because it's a choice, or at least it's been made about choice, no one has the right to tell a woman she can't choose. I also a believe a woman should have the choice when to have a child, if she ever does want one. Abortion may not always be the right choice, but that is the prerogative of the woman making the decisions and nowhere should the laws of a supposed democracy stand in the way of that. It's not about killing kids. JMO.

Back on topic, I thought this was rather humorous and have come to realize just how in the middle I am So glad I'm independent.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Well, all I can say again, is I disagree, to an extent. The issue of abortion, as it's suggested by the women's moment, isn't about killing children. That's obvious. And Gloria Steinem and others wouldn't want to paint it as killing children because then it couldn't be perceived as a deeply personal woman's choice. But what I'll never get is the fact that we've seen the pictures, and we know that a human being is literally ripped, limb from limb, yet we, as Americans, still see nothing wrong with it. I don't undrestand why we, as Americans, don't see that taking one of our own in such a brutal, undignified manner, is wrong and a choice. You couldn't cut limbs from people outside the womb or cut their necks and suction their brains out, so why is it allowed in the womb? So you see, that's why I agree that the issue of abortion, as most people see it, isn't about killing children. Obviously, no one would want it to be seen that way. (And yes, I've chosen my words carefully so as not to attack any individual, per Ryan's post).

But to stay on topic, the original post had it dead on. Two forms of killing treated differently. One is supported, one isnt.

[Ryan]

I'm so proud JSF Lol.

[Chris]

Both sides only support one side of this, though. I've always found it weird that Republicans support the death penalty but not abortions, and vice versa for Democrats.