BTG: October 2025 Discussion Thread

14 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

With everyone questioning the timeline for Hayley making inroads into the Dupree family and how they assumed she had known the family for a long time.  I think we just assumed that, but Derek had previously mentioned that he/Ashley were just getting to know her when the whole affair with Bill went down.  And it has been stated that Ashley had known Naomi for a long time and that Derek/Jacob had been friends for a long time... so had Hayley been in the picture a long time, Derek/Ashley would have known her better.

Good points.

8 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

The twist is good but turning Hayley into a total scheming villianess is limiting in some ways. We will all now be waiting for her comeuppance whereas if she were a little more grey then there would be more mileage. Hayley needed more colors, for sure, but too make her so calculating?

 

 

I think sometimes we jump too far ahead into what the inevitable conclusion of a storyline will be instead of just enjoying the journey. They still have time to add more colors to Hayley and there is still so much for her to do before being exposed.

5 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

This is my issue.  I admit sometimes I don't watch the show super closely but I thought Hayley was a *childhood* or at least teenage friend of Naomi's??  Wasn't part of the betrayal that as an orphan she kinda grew up in their household or at least was always around?  But now it seems retconned to Naomi befriending her at the gym (presumably as adults?)  I mean she had to be an adult right if she had already grifted in similar ways several men as she said today?

They made it seem like Dani was a second mother figure to her which would have implied that she was younger when she first joined this family. The reveal makes it seem like she's only been around 2-3 years tops and Naomi would have already been out the house

 

Now that Ive thought about it more, I sure hope they know what htey are doing bc I think I prefer had the reveal been that she's been a golddigger. She genuinely did fall for Bill but her motivation was money and security which she never had as an orphan. Making her a con artist with this long criminal history is quite a bit much

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4 hours ago, Vee said:

I think several of us thought that. I'm not sure I recall any explicit confirmation of that though and I think what they're going with is they met in college. I'm good with it.

They never gave any sort of confirmation that they were childhood friends, people assumed it. But in real life you can literally become besties after a few months so it’s not far fetched at all. This is one of those things fans do, they assume something, and then get upset their assumption was false.

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

With everyone questioning the timeline for Hayley making inroads into the Dupree family and how they assumed she had known the family for a long time.  I think we just assumed that, but Derek had previously mentioned that he/Ashley were just getting to know her when the whole affair with Bill went down.  And it has been stated that Ashley had known Naomi for a long time and that Derek/Jacob had been friends for a long time... so had Hayley been in the picture a long time, Derek/Ashley would have known her better.

Also, did we all forget how quickly Naomi helped June out?  It was a mere few months and now June is making friends with the other Duprees so I can buy Hayley being quickly welcomed with open arms into the Dupree family.

Also, remember that Nicole hired Eva as her personal assistant and quickly treated her like part of the family all because of a good reference from Mona.  And let's remember that Mona had only known SPS and Eva for at least a year or so.

I think the Duprees are to blame for all these grifters and cons being pulled on them because they're too trusting.  You'd think they would be a little more leery of June considering what Hayley/Ted/Eva all have pulled on them LOL

You just summed it up perfectly.

38 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

But in real life you can literally become besties after a few months so it’s not far fetched at all.

true

If you consider how quickly Nicole embraced Eva and how willing Chelsea was to extend Eva enough grace to consider her a cousin post reveal it's obvious that the Duprees are supposed to be the embracing type. Hayley portraying herself as having no family would have been a quick, easy in with them.

36 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

If you consider how quickly Nicole embraced Eva and how willing Chelsea was to extend Eva enough grace to consider her a cousin post reveal it's obvious that the Duprees are supposed to be the embracing type. Hayley portraying herself as having no family would have been a quick, easy in with them.

Exactly. 2-3 years is more than enough time to be completely engrossed in the family.

1 hour ago, janea4old said:

true

Some of my closest friends I talk to every day I’ve only known for the last 3 years.

Good character revelation, even though I kinda think it was something of a rewrite. If so, that's OK. Because soaps used to do this quite a bit in the past with pretty good results. Now, will they allow this plot to flow decently, maintaining audience interest, or will they suddenly put it on the shelf and return to it in February of 2026? 

Writers:
Sara A. Bibel
Lynn Martin

Director:
Phideaux Xavier

I like the Hayley twist. It makes her more interesting to me now. She was getting a bit whiney and obsessed with Dani for my taste. It also makes Randy more interesting now. Does Joey know just how much of a con artist Randy is? Is Randy even his real name or an alias for the newest con? 

I hope this "baby drama" with Naomi doesn't last too long. It's making me not like her. I can understand her worrying about the changes in her body, but c'mon, they can easily have a nanny to watch/help raise the kids. There is no reason that she (or Jacob) has to give up their careers. Couples do this all the time. She's not once mentioned she's hesitant because she doesn't want the child to be raised by staff...which would be more understandable. 

I'm liking Smitty/Martin back together. I hope it lasts. 

June vs Leslie could be fun. I have a feeling June wouldn't be above getting down and dirty with Leslie and I'm here for Leslie getting some of her own. 

 

date: Thursday, October 16, 2025 | Sara A. Bibel, Lynn Martin | Phideaux Xavier

• The con artist child bride is wasting no time allowing her wicked ways and sinister ideas to come to light.
• Jacob is trying a bit too hard to persuade Naomi to keep the baby.
• Thai food? Not my thing, but it does sound delicious, especially if it is spicy. Sometimes spice can be delicious if done right.
• Oh Lord. Dani and Pamela need to watch more horror films and their parodies... you do not let Dani go up first! Ha. And not the "You've been robbed" line from Chelsea.
• Naomi continues to say the same thing, and it falls on the deafest of ears. Jacob needs to accept what he did when he married Naomi, unless he never did accept it?
• The con artist child bride is slapping it on a bit too thick; she needs to lessen the 'sweetness' a bit.
• Oh Chelsea, sweetie, you will be okay without all of those fashion items. I promise you will. It is not the end of the world.
• Pamela, dahling, what is it you have on your mind regarding Andre? Oh modeling. I see it.
• The con artist child bride is not being subtle at all, and it is glaring at this point. Wrapping up the 'special' cupcake in its own wrapping. Sweetie, for a con, you suck at it.
• Why do I feel like the family curse is code for he was never told about the babies, or it was not someone June expected to raise children with?
• Oops... thank goodness Naomi spat the 'special' cupcake out; otherwise, the con artist child bride would be on the hook for two murders!
• Smart of Naomi to go to Ashley about this.
• Okay, so that re-proposal was romantic, especially with Tyrell!

Notes:

• There is no way they had Samantha playing with someone's leftover French fries and ketchup. Whew. It was a choice.
• I like the use of flashback inserts to tell stories without having to do it with "remember back when?" text. It is smart.
• I still love seeing June as a fixture at Orphey Gene's. Reminds me of wait staff I have known at restaurants that I always circle back to.

I kept saying that Naomi, her pregnancy,  and Hayley would all converge but I had no idea it would be this way.

 

Hayley's plan is about to wreck so much havoc 

49 minutes ago, Melroser said:

I hope this "baby drama" with Naomi doesn't last too long. It's making me not like her.

Yeah, these arguments she starts with Jacob are hard to take -- especially when the scene ends with them smiling and getting along and declaring their love.

Naomi, you want to be you? You want to be who you want to be? Then get a damn abortion already. We've already heard enough lectures from her about what's expected of a woman vs what's expected of a man.

Of course this is her decision. She talked to Jacob and knows his feelings, but this is still her choice. Even though an abortion makes perfect sense, I think she'll keep the baby, whether it's tied into Hayley and Bill or because that's what soaps do.

 

-- The discussion and explanations here about how long Hayley has known everyone make sense and are great -- and interesting. Love it all. Bottom line is that I don't really care if it all makes "perfect sense" because the storyline turn in Hayley has been SO GOOD.

1 hour ago, Melroser said:

I hope this "baby drama" with Naomi doesn't last too long. It's making me not like her. I can understand her worrying about the changes in her body, but c'mon, they can easily have a nanny to watch/help raise the kids. There is no reason that she (or Jacob) has to give up their careers. Couples do this all the time. She's not once mentioned she's hesitant because she doesn't want the child to be raised by staff...which would be more understandable.

 

It's none of that. The woman simply doesn't want to be a mother and that is completely her decision. Jacob knew all of this going in and agreed to it. There is nothing wrong with that.