Someone in critical condition at the hospital and everyone fighting about it reminds me so much of the Guza years. Willow/Joss was straight out of the Guza playbook, minus a slap to seal the deal of course!

Drew and Willow are just disgusting. The problem is everyone is against them, where do they possibly go from here? Nina is not enough to hang a future for Willow on. And now they made Michael a martyr. Who is going to want to watch these people?

I will give the show credit though- the explosion looked good, and the aftermath has been watchable. Steve and Laura are acting circles around MB though.

 

Edited January 11Jan 11 by titan1978

2 hours ago, Planet Soap said:

Interesting points. 

I think there's growing support for Joss now because Willow's actions were worse, but in the months following the Dex affair, I recall mass backlash against Josslyn. I'm surprised to see the downplaying of Joss's actions these days.

*Note this is not an attack on your perfectly valid opinion, just an observation on changing support for Joss. 

I think it's because despite Jaws being a hypocritical cheating banshee too and 2 things can be true at once, Wilted has already skated on doing this to Chase while he was on his death bed. She's already tried to put the blame on Sasha for her actions and Sasha said I think not bitch. Waffles is already on a pedestal despite being a serial hoe who hides being the wide doe eyed brain dead simp woe is me act. Whimpering, cries like she has no idea how she got in this position while thumbing her nose down at others. She's just like Cujo and Mini self righteous shrew but even more infantilize and sanitize. I'm just sorry it took her cheating on Michael for her to be knocked off her pedestal.  

They already had Mykill making excuses for her. I don't feel sorry for him because how you get them is how you lose them, but I've no problem with his family or him making her life a living hell cause she's too stupid to live. Like her pea brain can't process 2+2=4 instead of 2+1≠4. Watch she blame Nina once the truth comes out about her & notdrew cause at the end of the day her though line is she's a smug simpering thot who can't take responsibility for her actions and life choices.

16 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Drew and Willow are just disgusting. The problem is everyone is against them, where do they possibly go from here? Nina is not enough to hang a future for Willow on. And now they made Michael a martyr. Who is going to want to watch these people?

The Drew/Nina/Willow/Michael storyline had the makings of classic drama - so, of course, Frank & Co. had to mess it all up with their usual, simplistic writing.  Sigh.

8 minutes ago, Khan said:

The Drew/Nina/Willow/Michael storyline had the makings of classic drama - so, of course, Frank & Co. had to mess it all up with their usual, simplistic writing.  Sigh.

I wonder what the plans would have been if Chad hadn't quit. Probably just dropping the story entirely.

12 minutes ago, NiqueAlexis2020 said:

I think it's because despite Jaws being a hypocritical cheating banshee too and 2 things can be true at once, Wilted has already skated on doing this to Chase while he was on his death bed. She's already tried to put the blame on Sasha for her actions and Sasha said I think not bitch. Waffles is already on a pedestal despite being a serial hoe who hides being the wide doe eyed brain dead simp woe is me act. Whimpering, cries like she has no idea how she got in this position while thumbing her nose down at others. She's just like Cujo and Mini self righteous shrew but even more infantilize and sanitize. I'm just sorry it took her cheating on Michael for her to be knocked off her pedestal.  

They already had Mykill making excuses for her. I don't feel sorry for him because how you get them is how you lose them, but I've no problem with his family or him making her life a living hell cause she's too stupid to live. Like her pea brain can't process 2+2=4 instead of 2+1≠4. Watch she blame Nina once the truth comes out about her & notdrew cause at the end of the day her though line is she's a smug simpering thot who can't take responsibility for her actions and life choices.

I'm not sure but I think this is written in an entirely new language!!! Yes, it definitely derives from English but then it has influences I simply do not recognize. Fascinating, though! I know I'm making a thing out of all of these nicknames & fan jargon but it's all in fun. And, it has a rhythm to it. I'm not saying you could dance to it, but tap your feet, sure.

I still hate Cujo though. I remain unconvinced it's not a personal attack on the actor. Plus, I don't need any reminders of that particular horrifying Stevie King story. The other day I met a fan who didn't even get the reference! Yes, I do use the words Jarly & also Jarlified but the most derogatory was when I called him Drewfus, who is definitely not any more. 

Just now, Contessa Donatella said:

I'm not sure but I think this is written in an entirely new language!!! Yes, it definitely derives from English but then it has influences I simply do not recognize. Fascinating, though! I know I'm making a thing out of all of these nicknames & fan jargon but it's all in fun. And, it has a rhythm to it. I'm not saying you could dance to it, but tap your feet, sure.

1 minute ago, Maxim said:

Good! Humor was its end goal. 

3 hours ago, Planet Soap said:

Interesting points. 

I think there's growing support for Joss now because Willow's actions were worse, but in the months following the Dex affair, I recall mass backlash against Josslyn. I'm surprised to see the downplaying of Joss's actions these days.

*Note this is not an attack on your perfectly valid opinion, just an observation on changing support for Joss. 

I think before we were just quiet & a lot of people were LOUD about Joss. I know personally I always disagreed & thought the perspective of the relationship between Cam & Joss showed clearly it was damaged if not destroyed. 

Anyway, we should have spoken up sooner. On that, like TJ, we don't get a pass. 

Plus my opinion didn't feel attacked. 

24 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I'm not sure but I think this is written in an entirely new language!!! Yes, it definitely derives from English but then it has influences I simply do not recognize. Fascinating, though! I know I'm making a thing out of all of these nicknames & fan jargon but it's all in fun. And, it has a rhythm to it. I'm not saying you could dance to it, but tap your feet, sure.

I still hate Cujo though. I remain unconvinced it's not a personal attack on the actor. Plus, I don't need any reminders of that particular horrifying Stevie King story. The other day I met a fan who didn't even get the reference! Yes, I do use the words Jarly & also Jarlified but the most derogatory was when I called him Drewfus, who is definitely not any more. 

As much time as you spend on Twitter and Bluesky you should recognize Willow and Joss nicknames especially cause you defend both. But see it as making as much sense as your magical backstage insider information that you routinely spout as gospel when it's really just all in your head that you made up. 

I know you ani't clutching your pearls over "a derogatory nickname for a fictional character" that has existed for while in the same breath leaking private medical information about a dying actor that you had no right to tell. The audacity 

Open for business.

 

59 minutes ago, NiqueAlexis2020 said:

I think it's because despite Jaws being a hypocritical cheating banshee too and 2 things can be true at once, Wilted has already skated on doing this to Chase while he was on his death bed. She's already tried to put the blame on Sasha for her actions and Sasha said I think not bitch. Waffles is already on a pedestal despite being a serial hoe who hides being the wide doe eyed brain dead simp woe is me act. Whimpering, cries like she has no idea how she got in this position while thumbing her nose down at others. She's just like Cujo and Mini self righteous shrew but even more infantilize and sanitize. I'm just sorry it took her cheating on Michael for her to be knocked off her pedestal.  

They already had Mykill making excuses for her. I don't feel sorry for him because how you get them is how you lose them, but I've no problem with his family or him making her life a living hell cause she's too stupid to live. Like her pea brain can't process 2+2=4 instead of 2+1≠4. Watch she blame Nina once the truth comes out about her & notdrew cause at the end of the day her though line is she's a smug simpering thot who can't take responsibility for her actions and life choices.

Exactly. 

Edited January 11Jan 11 by janea4old

41 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I wonder what the plans would have been if Chad hadn't quit. Probably just dropping the story entirely.

I have to tell you something funny. When I was younger on the board like 15 years ago, I could not understand your extreme pessimism but over the years I’ve watched so much bad writing it started to make sense and I now appreciate it😂

9 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I have to tell you something funny. When I was younger on the board like 15 years ago, I could not understand your extreme pessimism but over the years I’ve watched so much bad writing it started to make sense and I now appreciate it😂

I was probably even worse than because that was the era that "Cartini," MAB, etc. were getting effusive praise. Sorry to anyone who had to read through all that. 

I'm probably not as negative about current GH as I should be as I don't have the long history/emotional history with it the way I did with the P&G shows and I don't have a heavy dislike for the writers the way I did for Guza and Carlivati, but I can't deny the show is much more soulless now and you can see the lack of care in stories like this that on paper should be knockouts.

Edited January 11Jan 11 by DRW50

When DRW likes something on a modern soap it's hard-won - we don't always agree but he is too often right on the money. He's made me reconsider Sasha (sort of)!

Edited January 11Jan 11 by Vee

@DRW50 you are a miracle worker.  I've been trying to tell @Vee Sasha wasn't that bad for months!!!  Hope your home is okay Vee!

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I've been trying to tell @Vee Sasha wasn't that bad for months!!!  Hope your home is okay Vee!

I'm committing to nothing! She's still boring as hell.

My apt is apparently still fine and probably will stay that way. I am still back east in DC due to first the snow and now the fires, and enjoying it. But very concerned for others. It's been awful out west.