Could Sonny have hired that Hitwoman and told her to say Jagger hired her to Kill Ava?

I could handle Gio being BLQ's son if the father is NOT Dante and there is a good story about who the father is and why she did not raise him. I know people who found out as an adult that their mothers were actually their aunt, cousin etc and their real mother was someone else in the family.  The reveal definitely brings the drama.  BLQ was also off the canvas for long enough that it would not be a rewrite of what we saw onscreen.

But first if they are keeping Sasha I want it revealed that she is Celia Quartermaine's daughter.  Grant Putnam kidnapped Celia and assaulted her.  Celia gave Sasha up to protect her from Grant.  I wish GH would bring back characters like Grant and Celia for short story arcs.  We have lost so many vets it would be great to see some faces from the past.

24 minutes ago, John said:

John Jagger Cates has a sister named Gina and a son named Stone. They both need to show in PC and make Sonny pay.

Do they, though?

Y&R, snag Adam Harrington quick! He'll be the perfect Chucky Foster or Brooks Prentiss. Plus, Sharon needs a man at this point. GH is stupid for letting this man slip from their reach.

They no longer need to have Sonny be allowed to sob over Stone when he just killed his brother in cold blood. It'd only be poetic justice if a sane writer came on and had Stone 2.0 plug a bullet in Sonny, killing him. 

Also, aren't they at the Q's boathouse? If so, that's dumb as what mobster kills someone on the grounds of someone they know. My mind is also thinking of other small stuff like--Don't the Qs live in a gated community? If so, wouldn't a guard have known Sonny and Jagger drove onto the grounds? Also, a multimillion-dollar estate like that would have cameras all over the place. Especially, in this day and age. 

And I am praying they don't have Kristina be blamed for this when it'd be illogical as she wouldn't have gunpowder residue on her at all. Furthermore, Sonny would be a sh*tty parent to let her take the blame. But it's Sonny. He'll mope, make excuses, and be forgiven. 

No wonder why this show is in the sh*tter. 

I think we mostly can assume Jagger came prepared in a bullet proof vest.  That doesn't make Sonny right and it's really odd he 1. tried to shoot Jagger himself 2. Did it on a property that his son and family live.  

I agree even the attempt taints what Stone meant to him though.  Stone would have never wanted Sonny to murder his own brother just because Jagger sucks.

10 minutes ago, Vee said:

Do they, though?

No, they don't. At all.

5 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Y&R, snag Adam Harrington quick! He'll be the perfect Chucky Foster or Brooks Prentiss.

Oh, that'd be good. Or, dare I say it: Dylan recast?

19 minutes ago, Vee said:

Do they, though?

No

Most people don't remember the awful blonde Gina recast from the 90's, but I do.  The show tried to make her a real thing.

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5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I think we mostly can assume Jagger came prepared in a bullet proof vest.  That doesn't make Sonny right and it's really odd he 1. tried to shoot Jagger himself 2. Did it on a property that his son and family live.  

I agree even the attempt taints what Stone meant to him though.  Stone would have never wanted Sonny to murder his own brother just because Jagger sucks.

But, Jagger did so much more than suckage. They made him into a monster. Just his treatment of Kristina alone warranted I'm not sure what but in other circumstances I am quite sure he'd have been turned in to his FBI superiors & would've gotten into a whole heap of trouble. The behavior of the judge alone should have been a huge clue. And the prosecuting attorney read him for trash. 

Just now, Contessa Donatella said:

But, Jagger did so much more than suckage. They made him into a monster. Just his treatment of Kristina alone warranted I'm not sure what but in other circumstances I am quite sure he'd have been turned in to his FBI superiors & would've gotten into a whole heap of trouble. The behavior of the judge alone should have been a huge clue. And the prosecuting attorney read him for trash. 

I hate Wagger and his stupid smug face.  He doesn't deserve to be killed.  The show won't make Sonny an actual killer-or the actual person that pulls the trigger.  It will be a story and a who done it.  But I don't think Jagger is dead.

@detroitpiston I've been agreeing with so much of your takes lately.  I like reading your recaps. LOL  I also thought Kristina would be the one to shoot Jagger and didn't expect Sonny to shoot him.  So many cliffhangers to cap off a great week. 

I hope Drew/Willow's affair will be exposed in a big public way in late October/early November - I can see that being a way how Drew loses the election. 

Just a reminder, if you're posting about stuff from the past that doesn't really have to do with anything that's happening now, please use the Classic GH thread.  It's just cluttering up this thread. 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I hate Wagger and his stupid smug face.  He doesn't deserve to be killed.  The show won't make Sonny an actual killer-or the actual person that pulls the trigger.  It will be a story and a who done it.  But I don't think Jagger is dead.

I agree about the violence. In soap terms, though, he did deserve to die. He's just been asking for it. I was thinking that he's dead, a GONER, maybe  your way is what will actually happen. 

I couldn't help but wonder if Krazy Kristina in the process of committing suicide will accidentally shoot Sam. 

It was disgusting when they had Sonny shoot and kill AJ point blank in 2014 and not face any consequences. It's disgusting having him do the same to Jagger in 2024. Other than satisfying Maurice Bernard's huge ego, what's the point of this crap? How is any of this entertaining?

 

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

Oh, that'd be good. Or, dare I say it: Dylan recast?

Yes. I'd be fine with a Dylan recast if the story is there. I always said they could bring Dylan back with news that Paul died while on duty. That'd drive Doug Davidson nuts but oh well. 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I think we mostly can assume Jagger came prepared in a bullet proof vest.  That doesn't make Sonny right and it's really odd he 1. tried to shoot Jagger himself 2. Did it on a property that his son and family live.  

I agree even the attempt taints what Stone meant to him though.  Stone would have never wanted Sonny to murder his own brother just because Jagger sucks.

I hope he has a vest on and the FBI faked his death, but I don't think the writers are that smart. This show loves to make the same mistakes over and over. This is literally AJ's death all over again. Sonny will go unpunished and everyone will make excuses for him. 

And I am glad that I am not alone that Sonny should never weep or utter Stone's name again.  I just don't get how the writers didn't grasp the connection Sonny/Jagger shared and how Sonny shooting Jagger's brother would destroy that bond. In my opinion, I feel like it somewhat taints his bond with Robin too. Maybe I am overreacting but the scene was just icky.

7 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Yes. I'd be fine with a Dylan recast if the story is there. I always said they could bring Dylan back with news that Paul died while on duty. That'd drive Doug Davidson nuts but oh well. 

I hope he has a vest on and the FBI faked his death, but I don't think the writers are that smart. This show loves to make the same mistakes over and over. This is literally AJ's death all over again. Sonny will go unpunished and everyone will make excuses for him. 

And I am glad that I am not alone that Sonny should never weep or utter Stone's name again.  I just don't get how the writers didn't grasp the connection Sonny/Jagger shared and how Sonny shooting Jagger's brother would destroy that bond. In my opinion, I feel like it somewhat taints his bond with Robin too. Maybe I am overreacting but the scene was just icky.

Hmm... I don't take Jagger's claims about Stone that seriously because they are related by blood, but he could have shown up at Stone's end stages of life or funeral.  He didn't.  I do think Sonny did right by Stone in the moment.  Does Sonny brag about his good deeds with that too much?  Yes.  But about 5 people in town today knew Stone, so I move on.

I do think Robin (and Brenda) would be utterly horrified by Sonny's actions.  And I do think it taints the Stone/Sonny relationship.  Stone would have never wanted that.

I think Jagger is smart enough to wear a bulletproof vest.  He concocted this whole wackadoodle scheme to get Sonny.  I feel like he will live.

On a well-written show, Sonny shooting Jagger would have long-term consequences that would deeply impact most of the characters on the canvas.

On this show, I expect everyone will have completely forgotten about Jagger within a month.