9 minutes ago, Errol said:

I haven't watched the segment myself, but if you're saying what I think she might have been saying without saying it, I believe I know what she might be referring to. To be clear, it's not about Ron Carlivati at all.

That said, I won't taint the show with that nugget right now as it needs no negative press going in. It'll come out when the time is right (again, I didn't say ANYTHING!)

She said in the beginning production was giving the actors scrips too far in advance, and things would often change as they got closer to filming those episode. She asked them to send them scripts a little closer to filming dates to avoid that.

She said it’s important for the various production departments to get the scripts far in advance so they can manage various logistics, but it wasn’t really necessary for the actors. 

15 minutes ago, Errol said:

Ron Carlivati is a breakdown writer, not a scriptwriter who actually writes the words the characters say. Regardless, Michele Val Jean as head writer and Robert Guza Jr. as co-head writer approve scripts before they are sent to the actors for filming.

I haven't watched the segment myself, but if you're saying what I think she might have been saying without saying it, I believe I know what she might be referring to. To be clear, it's not about Ron Carlivati at all.

That said, I won't taint the show with that nugget right now as it needs no negative press going in. It'll come out when the time is right (again, I didn't say ANYTHING!)

The Curiosity reaching extraterrestrial levels here! Lol

11 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

She said in the beginning production was giving the actors scripts too far in advance, and things would often change as they got closer to filming those episode. She asked them to send them scripts a little closer to filming dates to avoid that.

She said it’s important for the various production departments to get the scripts far in advance so they can manage various logistics, but it wasn’t really necessary for the actors. 

Yes this was on the public live feed youtube from the Paley Museum. I watched it and it was great.
Hmm. I just checked to post the link but it seems they have since taken the youtube down.   Well I'm glad I watched.  I wanted to watch again

I think Ms. Ducksworth said she sees the story 6 months in advance.  And one of them said the tape-to-airdate gap is about three months.

I am not worried about RC at all. BTG is MVJ's show. RC is just a very very very small part of the collaboration. The ideas are not his, so I am not bothered by his presence. Maybe in this environment it will rejuvenate him and bring out a new side of creativity. Only time will tell.

As for the show itself, I cannot believe we are less than 48 hours away from a brand new daytime soap opera. That's such a big freaking deal that I salute, support, and applaud 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Let's go 🥳🥳🥳

@Errol

Will you keep this thread open once the soap starts, or will you close it and leave only the monthly discussion thread?

2 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Sheila Ducksworth told the story in detail at the Paley event how P&G got involved with BTG. The head of CBS (George Cheeks) had asked her to have a meeting with Mark Pritchard, the Chief Brand Officer, at P&G. She “soft pitched” him the idea of a Black-led soap, and he was interested. He told her once they had a more solidified idea, to come back to him and that P&G would love to be involved. After that, she engaged with Michele Val Jean who developed and created the show. P&G then officially committed. 

in the kind of in-depth piece i would like to see, all of the people involved would be interviewed. what i’d really want is for someone at p&g to talk about how the company decided to do a 180 after cancelling ‘world turns and gl. 

Edited February 22Feb 22 by wonderwoman1951

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

Why post this? The guy is cancer to daytime.

You frighten me with this post. Is he that bad of a writer? 

22 minutes ago, vanguard said:

You frighten me with this post. Is he that bad of a writer? 

Personally, I think he's capable of really good writing. 

The problem is he sometimes lets his worst impulses, and biases do the writing for him. On Days, there was clearly a lot of biphobia in his writing, which is why I'm concerned as to how he'll write Smitty in the episodes that he breaks down, because Mike Manning identifies as bisexual. And don't even get me started on his obvious misogyny 

And he also gets very lazy and very petty when a storyline doesn't go the way that he wants it. That's probably the biggest reason why Abigail was killed off, why Will and Sonny were written out in 2020 and why the Kristen/Alex fling has basically been erased from the Days canon.

I imagine it'll be different on BTG, especially since he's not at the head of the table anymore. But after watching his work for 16 years, across 3 soaps, I can't help but be a little concerned lol

Edited February 22Feb 22 by AbcNbc247

17 minutes ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

in the kind of in-depth piece i would like to see, all of the people involved would be interviewed. what i’d really want is for someone at p&g to talk about how the company decided to do a 180 after cancelling ‘world turns and gl. 

We can dream!!!! Although technically it was CBS who cancelled them. P&G failed to find a new venue to move them to. P&G accepted their ends as if inevitable. And, yes, nitpick. Paul Rauch literally was putting together a group of people to talk to about a new venue for GL at the time of his death. 

3 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Personally, I think he's capable of really good writing. 

The problem is he sometimes lets his worst impulses, and biases do the writing for him. On Days, there was clearly a lot of biphobia in his writing, which is why I'm concerned as to how he'll write Smitty in the episodes that he breaks down, because Mike Manning identifies as bisexual. 

And he also gets very lazy and very petty when a storyline doesn't go the way that he wants it. That's probably the biggest reason why Abigail was killed off, why Will and Sonny were written out in 2020 and why the Kristen/Alex fling has basically been erased from the Days canon.

I imagine it'll be different on BTG, especially since he's not at the head of the table anymore. But after watching his work for 16 years, across 3 soaps, I can't help but be a little concerned lol

As far as I can tell he bore responsibility for Kristian Alfonso's leaving & for totally mishandling the LGBTQ+ couple Challie, which was probably why one of those actresses left the show. (Arnold) Actually, DAYS has the most diversity but it is almost all done so poorly & I think the buck stops with him. Breakdown writers can definitely impact story. I stand with fans who are leery. 🤦‍♀️🙄🙃

On 2/21/2025 at 9:24 PM, Khan said:

 

I'd want a full on Finnish song:

 

 

13 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

& for totally mishandling the LGBTQ+ couple Challie, which was probably why one of those actresses left the show. (Arnold) 

That was the biphobia; Allie suddenly became the most selfish person ever. 

1 hour ago, skiman12082004 said:

As for the show itself, I cannot believe we are less than 48 hours away from a brand new daytime soap opera. That's such a big freaking deal that I salute, support, and applaud 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Let's go 🥳🥳🥳

And, I have to say that I have never in my life seen the kind of media blitz of promotion that we've just seen. And, besides applauding it for the fact of its existence, I thought it was wonderfully effective. Major kudos!!! 🎤⤵️

20 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

43 minutes ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

in the kind of in-depth piece i would like to see, all of the people involved would be interviewed. what i’d really want is for someone at p&g to talk about how the company decided to do a 180 after cancelling ‘world turns and gl. 

We can dream!!!! Although technically it was CBS who cancelled them. P&G failed to find a new venue to move them to. P&G accepted their ends as if inevitable. And, yes, nitpick. Paul Rauch literally was putting together a group of people to talk to about a new venue for GL at the time of his death. 

yeah. you can nitpick the details. but the fact is p&g start walking away from its shows around 2006-2007, when they changed the name to telenext and took the pgp logo off the shows. 

re media coverage: the la times did some solid reporting after cbs engineered the 1995 executive producer shuffle. and a couple of years later, the ny times had a great piece detailing how and why  p&g changed course and replaced ken fitts with micki dwyer-dobbin. 

that the kind of reporting i’m talking about. 

Ron is a breakdown writer. For all the very obvious reasons Errol mentioned related to that specific position he is not a concern for me. We all know his sins but it's not relevant to this situation.

34 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

On Days, there was clearly a lot of biphobia in his writing, which is why I'm concerned as to how he'll write Smitty in the episodes that he breaks down, because Mike Manning identifies as bisexual.

He doesn't write those episodes, though. As you just said he is a breakdown writer. Everything from there then goes through not just the scriptwriters, but MVJ herself.

Edited February 22Feb 22 by Vee

31 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

We can dream!!!! Although technically it was CBS who cancelled them. P&G failed to find a new venue to move them to. P&G accepted their ends as if inevitable. And, yes, nitpick. Paul Rauch literally was putting together a group of people to talk to about a new venue for GL at the time of his death. 

33 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

sorry — meant to include this in my reply.