19 minutes ago, Khan said:

ICAM.  But maybe that's because so much of their work is unavailable today.  If not for the stuff that shows up from time-to-time on YT, hardly anyone born after a certain year would know about or remember the Dobsons' work on GL, for example.  And we all know how the folks at YT just looooove to take [!@#$%^&*] down for no damn reason.

I do, too.  On the one hand, there's no doubt that the Dobsons would have breathed new energy into AW, giving the show a direction or purpose that it never really had after 1979/1980.  But, on the other hand, unless NBCD and P&G were willing to give the Dobsons creative leeway, as well as invest heavily in promoting the show again, I question whether their writing would have increased AW's ratings all that much.  As I said in another thread, I think there came a point when no one outside of AW's most diehard, core audience really cared anymore about the show, regardless of how well it might have been doing at any given time creatively.

I think that this is true about the way things were with AW but I also wonder if that could have been changed. 

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

Moreover, I just can't see NBCD willing to work with the Dobsons again after everything they went through on SaBa.  CBS and ABC might have taken a chance on working with them - I, for one, would've loved to see what they could've done with OLTL or GL again - but not NBC.  Given the time and money they had spent litigating, along with the fact that SaBa ultimately failed, I think NBCD would've kept the two far, far away.

Yep. I'm sure that is why NBC blocked P&G's plan to have them HW the show in spring 1993. The Dobsons thought it was because NBC wanted the timeslot for another show & that is also true. They did. 

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

TBH, I have mixed feelings about SaBa.  There was a lot about the show that I loved, particularly some of its' cast (Marcy Walker, Judith McConnell, Louise Sorel, Nicolas Coster, Nancy Lee Grahn and Lane Davies, etc.) as well as the family dynamics among the many Capwells and Lockridges.  In the end, though, SaBa was more about great moments - dialogue, scenes, even whole episodes - than about great storylines - at least for me.  For example, I thought the Channing Capwell murder mystery, which opened the show, was pretty good, but Eden's rape, although violent and graphic, turned out to be a very distasteful and insensitive storyline.  It's like, most of the time, whenever they actually had something good going, they'd always find some way to sabotage it.

Here I disagree. Eden's rape, hard though it was to watch was classic, iconic wonderful storytelling & exactly what lesson about rape needed to be put into the soap group mind. 

I said it before, but The Dobson’s appeared to need a really strong EP to collaborate with, to support them, and to ground their material. That’s why I think their creative marriage with Allen Potter was so successful on GL. They didn’t have the same caliber producers on ATWT, and yes, on their own creation, SaBa.

 

16 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I said it before, but The Dobson’s appeared to need a really strong EP to collaborate with, to support them, and to ground their material. That’s why I think their creative marriage with Allen Potter was so successful on GL. They didn’t have the same caliber producers on ATWT, and yes, on their own creation, SaBa.

They also needed a sponsor and network who allowed them to write what they wrote best and not chase trends, which, clearly, was what they were doing when they wrote stuff like "Barbara Back in Time" or "Tom and Margo vs. Mr. Big."

May she rest in peace.

Her GL was brilliant!

Her ATWT was unfortunately not as good.

Her different SB was just dreadful. I'm surprised it last as long as it did. Her premonition of it being cancelled came true. The Digest awards and Emmys delayed its cancellation. 

3 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Her different SB was just dreadful.

I wouldn't say SaBa was dreadful.  (If you wanna talk about a soap that was dreadful, look no further than PASSIONS, lol).  SaBa had plenty going for it, once they worked out most of the kinks.  I just think the bean counters at NBCD and New World Television mucked it all up in the end.

I remember reading a WATN interview with former OLTL HW Peggy O'Shea, where she talked about her time as a consultant on SaBa.  TPTB asked her to watch the show for awhile and then give her thoughts.  She said she told them there was nothing wrong with the show and to leave it alone.  "So, of course," she said, "they went and changed everything."

Edited January 7, 20241 yr by Khan

Bridget Dobson was weird. She certainly wore the pants in that marriage. Jerry was wimpy. He seemed scared of her. 

Was there any reason why the Dobsons chose to begin Santa Barbara with a murder mystery? Were they fans of Henry Slesar or the Edge of Night or something? Watching the mystery drag on over the show's first year, I'm not sure if that kind of thing was really their forte. 

It's interesting, for their own show, they chose to go with stuff that they weren't as strong writing, teen hijinks and murder mysteries/ crime. If those elements were toned down, perhaps  the show might have been better, especially in the beginning. 

Edited January 7, 20241 yr by Jdee43

I was just reading someone's post elsewhere. Bridget, eccentric yes, but brilliant & the better writer/creator of the two. Jerry, very good with production & also very easy to be with & considered a friend by many. 

Jerry wrote a novel that was published in 2018. His website domain is pretty much dedicated to it:

https://jeromedobson.com/ 

44 minutes ago, Khan said:

I wouldn't say SaBa was dreadful.  (If you wanna talk about a soap that was dreadful, look no further than PASSIONS, lol).  SaBa had plenty going for it, once they worked out most of the kinks.  I just think the bean counters at NBCD and New World Television mucked it all up in the end.

Also dreadful a fair amount of the time was BEACH. (Sunset Beach) I mean the turkey baster storyline, why the hell was that not considered 1st degree assault? And, the Poseidon Adventure? Really? A story arc within a daytime soap that reboots that movie? What were they thinking? And, from the get-go why target the youth market & ask the affiliates to show it at noon? 

Dobson is credited as creating one of soaps first antiheroine in Rita Bauer on GL. Rita was such a diverse complicated character.

4 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Dobson is credited as creating one of soaps first antiheroine in Rita Bauer on GL. Rita was such a diverse complicated character.

Wait. Hold on. Are Rita Bauer & Rita Stapleton the same person? Who is Rita Bauer? 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

Eden's rape, although violent and graphic, turned out to be a very distasteful and insensitive storyline. 

@Khan I don't know if you saw the Entertainment Tonight Y&R 50th anniversary special, but there was a segment on social issue storylines where Lauralee Bell talked about Cricket's date rape and how Bill Bell wanted to tell that story properly. I got the impression that Lauralee Bell was taking a swipe at how other soaps told rape storylines and I think one of the rape storylines she was swiping was Santa Barbara Eden.

53 minutes ago, Jdee43 said:

It's interesting, for their own show, they chose to go with stuff that they weren't as strong writing, teen hijinks and murder mysteries/ crime. If those elements were toned down, perhaps the show might have been better, especially in the beginning. 

I agree.  I also thought the inherent class conflicts in the beginning (between the Perkinses and Andrades and the Capwells and Lockridges) were a smart way to build a new soap, but I probably would have concentrated just on two: the blue-collar, Hispanic Andrades and the rich, eccentric Lockridges.

29 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Dobson is credited as creating one of soaps first antiheroine in Rita Bauer on GL. Rita was such a diverse complicated character.

Rita Stapleton Bauer is so fascinating to me.  As I said years ago, Rita basically was a decent person, but with one major flaw: the truth just wasn't in her, lol.  Like with OLTL's Tina, though, I never thought she lied with the intent of hurting people.  Rather, she lied, but she lied for the right reasons.

54 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Jerry wrote a novel that was published in 2018. His website domain is pretty much dedicated to it:

https://jeromedobson.com/ 

I'd love to read that novel someday.

28 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Wait. Hold on. Are Rita Bauer & Rita Stapleton the same person? Who is Rita Bauer? 

Rita Stapleton Bauer. 

6 minutes ago, Khan said:

I agree.  I also thought the inherent class conflicts in the beginning (between the Perkinses and Andrades and the Capwells and Lockridges) were a smart way to build a new soap, but I probably would have concentrated just on two: the blue-collar, Hispanic Andrades and the rich, eccentric Lockridges.

Rita Stapleton Bauer is so fascinating to me.  As I said years ago, Rita basically was a decent person, but with one major flaw: the truth just wasn't in her, lol.  Like with OLTL's Tina, though, I never thought she lied with the intent of hurting people.  Rather, she lied, but she lied for the right reasons.

That's a very good summary of her character.