1 hour ago, janea4old said:

Attempting to list *only* things relevant to current storylines, for benefit of Donna and anyone else who came to Y&R because of Colleen Zenk.

Otherwise, discussion goes on the Y&R history/BTS/articles thread.

John Abbott was married to Dina. (Dina's maiden name unknown?)
They had three children: Jack (Peter Bergman), Ashley (Eileen), and Traci (Beth Maitland).

It was later revealed that Ashley's biofather was someone else, but John never learned this and the info was kept from him for the rest of his life.  Everyone knows now. At any rate, Ashley is an Abbott in every way that matters, regardless of biology.

Dina was bored, left her husband and children, moved to Paris, ran a business, and had a fun and rich life.   Dina later married Marcel Mergeron, so she's referred to as Dina Mergeron.  Dina died of Alzheimer's a few years ago. 

John Abbott hired Mamie Johnson to run his household.  She was hired as the maid/cook but because Dina left, Mamie became a mother figure to Jack, Ashley, and especially to Traci.

Several years after Phillip Chancellor II died, Jill married John Abbott.
Jill and John were married twice, long story, won't detail that here.
Even when Jill and John were divorced, Jill was annoyed when John was with someone else.

At some point during all this, Jill became aware that John and Mamie were falling in love.  Jill payed Mamie millions of dollars to leave town, and Mamie left.
This is the Jill/Mamie rivalry/resentment currently playing out onscreen.

Mamie is the aunt of Victoria Rowell's character Drucilla Barber Winters.
Mamie is also the aunt of Drucilla's sister Olivia.
Drucilla died falling into a volcano.  Olivia has been offscreen for ages working for Doctors Without Borders.
Lily is Drucilla's daughter.
Devon is Drucilla's adopted son.
Nate is Olivia's son.

So Mamie is the great-aunt of Lily, Devon, and Nate.
And was a mother-figure to Jack, Ashley, and Traci.
 

Billy Abbott is the son of John Abbott and Jill.
Billy Abbott would be the halfbrother of Thom Bierdz's character but they never met.

 

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If you go by date born onscreen,
Chance *should be* (but obviously isn't)
five years older than his uncle Billy.

Jill's first son Phillip Chancellor III (Thom Bierdz) was born in 1976 when she was younger.

Jill's second son Billy Abbott was was born in 1993, late in life to Jill.

Jill's grandson Phillip IV (Chance) was born in 1998 (the same year as Nick Newman).  He should be the same age as Nick Newman and one year younger than Sharon.

But Billy was SORASed a lot when Jason Thompson took over the role.
And Chance was deSORASed a lot when Conner Floyd took over the role.

It has been discussed that their ages are off, and we could vent/discuss it forever with no resolution.  It is what it is, so I won't belabor the point here.  Trying to stay on track with what is *currently* airing in December 2023.

Billy and Chance are about to work together at Chancellor-Winters, so that should be interesting.

Jane, this is fabulous! Genoa City 351 for serious soap fans who may be Oakdalians! 

Regarding two of my recent posts:
my post listing the various Phillip Chancellors (I, II, III, and IV) -
and my post about the Abbott siblings and Mamie -
Both of those show how central the character of Jill is to all of this.

I know Jess Walton lives in Oregon but I'm glad she's been airing recently.  I don't know how long she'll be around, but it's good to see her when we can.

Legit question: If you had a prominent mole on your face, would you have it removed? I know I would.

I understand the old-fashioned beauty marks that many people have. But to me that is usually a bit away from the lip line or more on a cheek. If I had a mole touching my lip or directly under my nostril, I would surely check into having it removed. Especially if I were an actress. Your thoughts?

 

 

FTR Drucilla fell off a cliff, not into a volcano.

17 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

FTR Drucilla fell off a cliff, not into a volcano.

It's just so wonderful that on soap forums there have to be "minor" corrections like this. 🙃🤣😉

FYI Dru fell off a cliff into water below, one of Adam’s exes is the one who fell into the volcano.

7 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

FYI Dru fell off a cliff into water below, one of Adam’s exes is the one who fell into the volcano.

Which was the waste of one of his better exes. Good actress. Great schemer. 

Dru’s falling off a cliff was insulting, degrading, offensive, and vindictive.

Skye’s death by falling into a volcano and the year long aftermath remains the worst story on Y&R ever. 

 

1 minute ago, soapfan770 said:

Dru’s falling off a cliff was insulting, degrading, offensive, and vindictive.

Well, is there any way we can make that an homage to Roman Brady falling off a cliff in Oct. 1984? (Just brainstorming.) 

There's a Y&R writer named Susan Banks.

It through me a bit because of the character on DOOL.

1 hour ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

It's just so wonderful that on soap forums there have to be "minor" corrections like this. 🙃🤣😉

Having lived around Mt. St. Helens my whole life, and lived through its many eruptions (the Big One May 18, 1980), the explanation that a soap character "fell into a volcano" seemed perfectly normal to me. LOL 🤣

OMG @ that awful CGI for the concert that Chance and Summer supposedly attended!🤣 

Just now, DramatistDreamer said:

OMG @ that awful CGI for the concert that Chance and Summer supposedly attended!🤣 

They actually showed the concert?! I haven't seen today's show. I assumed they would just show them at Crimson Lights all "the concert was great!"

Thanks everyone.  I have now corrected my post about Dru.

22 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

OMG @ that awful CGI for the concert that Chance and Summer supposedly attended!🤣 

I hadn’t see that episode yet as I’m a few eps behind, but was it as awkward as Summer on the roller coaster?