4 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

It also makes no sense that Sally wouldn’t have discussed some advanced medical directive and even appointed someone to ensure that her wishes were followed, considering the fact that she and her OB-GYN both knew her pregnancy was high risk. 

Even though Sally was admitted to the clinic, Elena would have called the office of Sally’s OB-GYN and found out what her advanced directives were. I am having a hard time believing this turn of events. 

Something tells me Josh didn't know where to go with Sally's pregnancy and just arrived to this conclusion with any forethought. 

39 minutes ago, Ponds said:

Does Sally really think that Adam should have let her die?  The baby would have had the least chance of survival as she couldn't have been more than 20 weeks into her pregnancy, but I'm sure the writer's didn't bother with that fact.  

She was at least 24 weeks since she was pregnant back in January. 

Tommorow  

Spoiler

Sharon tells nick she's been asleep since rey died, doing nothing but pouring coffee and listening to other people's problems. But now, she says since this Cameron stuff  she feels alive and activated.

 

Courtney Hope performed well in her scenes for today’s episode. There really wasn’t much of a storyline for her but she did what she could with the material she was given. Geez, those scenes made Sharon sound almost bloodthirsty, like driving a stake, uh knife into Cameron was somehow thrilling. I don’t know what to say about that dialogue but Sharon Case commits to the material. 
How is Eric Braeden managing these days? He looks a bit like he’s trying to conserve energy at times. Today he looked a bit drained. Hopefully he doesn’t feel bad. 
CBS.com’s site’s description for today’s episode seemed a bit off. They mentioned Nikki supporting Sharon, or something. Well, I didn’t see no Nikki!

No other nurse or staff in Sally's room? Ridiculous. The show is having extras and day players now so stretch the budget to make the scene slightly more realistic.

And Sally just laying peacefully in bed not hooked up to anything. Let alone Adam making decisions with no authority.

The show just takes short cuts with every story.

17 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

No other nurse or staff in Sally's room? Ridiculous. The show is having extras and day players now so stretch the budget to make the scene slightly more realistic.

And Sally just laying peacefully in bed not hooked up to anything. Let alone Adam making decisions with no authority.

The show just takes short cuts with every story.

It is kind of creepy how desolate the hospital looks, with not even one nurse or orderly in the hallway, walking past the room. And just a muffled voice heard after Sally pressed the call button.

 

EDT. After watching today’s episode, I will say that the final scene between Victoria and Nick does have touches of the type of sibling conflict that Y&R was once known for.

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On 6/15/2023 at 9:53 AM, DramatistDreamer said:

She’s worked well with other scene partners, including…wait for it, Victoria Rowell (I’m not just talking romantic pairings tbh) but as @Taoboi stated the investment in the writing was rarely there.
There was nearly the same level of investment in the writing for Sharon’s pairing with Adam, but the basis for that entire romantic relationship was abhorrent, so much so that even watching that scene the other day with Nick’s brief discussion with Adam about Faith’s abduction caused a visceral response from me considering that whole history with Adam stealing Faith from Sharon to give to a post-natal Ashley, who was catatonic after suffering through the delivery of a stillborn child.

I will say that, more often than not, the writing seems to have been at its best for both characters when they have been paired together.
 

JMO, I still think Sharon is missing that really really well written story that involves her history outside of the Newmans, outside of who she’s romantically involved with and even outside of her being a mother. We still need clarity on what truly happened to her father, even on what happened to her mother and where their relationship stands today. Regardless of how gruff her mother could be with her, other characters have treated Sharon far worse and those relationships have managed to be repaired and I refuse to believe that Sharon would cast aside her disabled mother because she didn’t talk nice to Sharon and kept calling her “girl”. Of all the longtime characters, Sharon has got to be one of the least invested in. Even Chelsea’s mother Daisy Duke got more storyline than Sharon’s mother.

Sorry for my lateness, but I agree about VR as well.

 

And as for the bold...I just can't help, but think about the eerie coda when Sharon was writing what seem like a suicidal note back when it seem like she was being turning into a promiscuous klepto, and the ending ended making the viewers wonder if Sharon was really going to kill herself. The camera angles, the music, and the fact SC was selling it. That has always stood out for me during that whole period where Sharon was getting bad writing. 

On 6/15/2023 at 2:25 PM, Melroser said:

 

It is great to see Sharon getting story again

Amen.

 

On 6/16/2023 at 10:37 AM, soapfan770 said:

Dead cat, Faith with a bomb strapped to her, Connor inheriting his mother’s depression and now a dead baby….someone want to go check in on Josh Griffith to make sure he’s okay before someone gets raped in the Abbott living room?

I admit...when I first saw this comment...I got shivers thinking back to the end of JG's DAYS run which is when I stopped watching because it just got too dark...and I like dark, but...

On 6/15/2023 at 9:15 AM, Jeff said:

Other than this year's nomination, sadly SC is not an Emmy favorite.

Which is a shame because I rarely feel like she phones it in. 

 

Like when she arrived at the ball on Adam's arm and did the oh so dramatic diva mask reveal in front of the cameras. It was a small thing since at that point she was just being so background character during the Nick/Sally/Adam storyline, but she was giving. 

WTH is happening on this show? Isn't Chance supposed to taking care of his family home for Jill?

Jill fought tooth and nail for that Chancellor mansion for decades and her grandson Chance just hands it over to Devon and Abby like nothing. 🙄  It's like he's not even aware that his grandfather is Phillip Chancellor II.

Does anyone know if the Chancellors are being written out for good? If Chance is moving out of his own mansion I would think his days are numbered. Winter's mansion???

 

 

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

I admit...when I first saw this comment...I got shivers thinking back to the end of JG's DAYS run which is when I stopped watching because it just got too dark...and I like dark, but...

Yeah the past few weeks have really started to remind me of how JG wrote Days around their 50th anniversary and the aftermath, and here we are again with a show that just turned 50 with a current bleak outlook just like Days. This isn’t going to end well at all. 
 

 

1 hour ago, cattykittens said:

WTH is happening on this show? Isn't Chance supposed to taking care of his family home for Jill?

Jill fought tooth and nail for that Chancellor mansion for decades and her grandson Chance just hands it over to Devon and Abby like nothing. 🙄  It's like he's not even aware that his grandfather is Phillip Chancellor II.

Does anyone know if the Chancellors are being written out for good? If Chance is moving out of his own mansion I would think his days are numbered. Winter's mansion???

 

 

Several years ago I remember wishing Devon and Hilary moved into the mansion instead of Billy and Hilary hanging a giant portrait of herself next to Katherine to Jill and Esther’s dismay 🤣

But seriously JG seems to be completely clueless about what to do when it comes to Chance. Chance was ripe and prime to have an unexpected affair with Sally (resulting in her pregnancy) or being manipulated by Audra as her ticket into taking control of Chancellor…but instead the show hasn’t given any bones to Chance at all.

There was a time years back I use to defend Ordway and liked her but have come to realize folks like @Vee were right along about her capabilities; Ordway’s Abby is completely ineffectual and pointless. Along with Stafford and MCE I wonder why Ordway is still on this show. 

I can't believe this Phyllis story is still going. LOL

9-20

 

Yeah...I really and truly did not like what JG did to Sally and the baby. That said...ooooo was CH making me feel her pain though. I felt sooooo uncomfortable watching her scenes as Adam tried to explain what happened, Elena tried to explain what happened, and Nick trying to be there on top of that. Just smh.

 

I'm can't believe the Cameron story is over. Not surprised, just can't believe it. That was a fun three weeks there. lol. 

 

As expected, AL owned those scenes of dealing with an angry Kyle after finding out that Summer knew Phyllis was alive. And MM actually stepped up, too so I didn't mind that all.

 

As others have said...and I love to say...I live for Elena going off on Nate and Victoria. I know it hurts. Cuz he was never in love with her...it was just an ego battle with Devon, and I will continue to say so. hehe. That said...has the JT story vanished from this part of the story?

 

 

9 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Several years ago I remember wishing Devon and Hilary moved into the mansion instead of Billy and Hilary hanging a giant portrait of herself next to Katherine to Jill and Esther’s dismay 🤣

But seriously JG seems to be completely clueless about what to do when it comes to Chance. Chance was ripe and prime to have an unexpected affair with Sally (resulting in her pregnancy) or being manipulated by Audra as her ticket into taking control of Chancellor…but instead the show hasn’t given any bones to Chance at all.

There was a time years back I use to defend Ordway and liked her but have come to realize folks like @Vee were right along about her capabilities; Ordway’s Abby is completely ineffectual and pointless. Along with Stafford and MCE I wonder why Ordway is still on this show. 

Had the show managed to entice Jess Walton to assume a more consistent screen presence, having Hilary and Devon move into Chancellor mansion with Jill still residing there would have been gold. Hilary and Jill’s clashes, neither one willing to compromise or concede that they may have more in common (industrious, smart, cunning and calculated, often woefully underestimated, big appetites for success) than they are willing to acknowledge. Add Nina’s occasional visits, trying to be a peacemaker. They could’ve even written Jill convincing Chance to move into the mansion, trying to use the argument that it is his birthright, while her real motive is trying to cultivate her grandson into being a necessary ally in the house. Then think of where these characters could be today, even if all the other things still occurred (Hilary’s tragic demise, Chance and Abby’s marriage, the surrogacy, the birth of Dominic, the affair between Abby and Devon…the stories would likely be richer, if all these characters had a stronger history with one another.

8 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Yeah...I really and truly did not like what JG did to Sally and the baby. That said...ooooo was CH making me feel her pain though. I felt sooooo uncomfortable watching her scenes as Adam tried to explain what happened, Elena tried to explain what happened, and Nick trying to be there on top of that. Just smh.

As others have said...and I love to say...I live for Elena going off on Nate and Victoria. I know it hurts. Cuz he was never in love with her...it was just an ego battle with Devon, and I will continue to say so. hehe. That said...has the JT story vanished from this part of the story?

Didn’t Elena quit the podcast because it was a Newman Media entity? JT was supposed to be part of that podcast. I think that’s when Elena thought she and Nate still had a relationship worth salvaging. It didn’t come across as a revenge plot, more like a plot to distract Victoria while she got Nate back. She doesn’t appear to want Nate back at all, at present.

I know I’ve said this in the spoiler thread but, during the entire time I was watching Sally’s stillborn baby story, I couldn’t help but think that this is the story that Hilary should’ve had, when you consider the fact that Black women are 3x more likely than White women to suffer eclampsia resulting in mortality-(maternal, infant, both). I guess Lily got a vehicular manslaughter/jail time story from it but Y&R missed a prime opportunity to be ahead of the curve in storytelling and they didn’t take it. Then again, I have been repeatedly reminded that the soaps believe that their viewers don’t want anything to do with reality, just fantasy. 

 

10 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

There was a time years back I use to defend Ordway and liked her but have come to realize folks like @Vee were right along about her capabilities; Ordway’s Abby is completely ineffectual and pointless. Along with Stafford and MCE I wonder why Ordway is still on this show. 

I agree, @soapfan770.  I wouldn't suggest killing off Abby anymore, but I do think this show could rest her until they figure out what to do with her.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Had the show managed to entice Jess Walton to assume a more consistent screen presence, having Hilary and Devon move into Chancellor mansion with Jill still residing there would have been gold. Hilary and Jill’s clashes, neither one willing to compromise or concede that they may have more in common (industrious, smart, cunning and calculated, often woefully underestimated, big appetites for success) than they are willing to acknowledge. Add Nina’s occasional visits, trying to be a peacemaker. They could’ve even written Jill convincing Chance to move into the mansion, trying to use the argument that it is his birthright, while her real motive is trying to cultivate her grandson into being a necessary ally in the house. Then think of where these characters could be today, even if all the other things still occurred (Hilary’s tragic demise, Chance and Abby’s marriage, the surrogacy, the birth of Dominic, the affair between Abby and Devon…the stories would likely be richer, if all these characters had a stronger history with one another.

Didn’t Elena quit the podcast because it was a Newman Media entity? JT was supposed to be part of that podcast. I think that’s when Elena thought she and Nate still had a relationship worth salvaging. It didn’t come across as a revenge plot, more like a plot to distract Victoria while she got Nate back. She doesn’t appear to want Nate back at all, at present.

I know I’ve said this in the spoiler thread but, during the entire time I was watching Sally’s stillborn baby story, I couldn’t help but think that this is the story that Hilary should’ve had, when you consider the fact that Black women are 3x more likely than White women to suffer eclampsia resulting in mortality-(maternal, infant, both). I guess Lily got a vehicular manslaughter/jail time story from it but Y&R missed a prime opportunity to be ahead of the curve in storytelling and they didn’t take it. Then again, I have been repeatedly reminded that the soaps believe that their viewers don’t want anything to do with reality, just fantasy. 

 

Ooooo I love all of that. Things would be bananas right now if the writers had gone that route. 

 

Ah! That might have been one of the episode I missed before it vanished off my tv system then. I know that I liked where they were going with it by making Elena a little bit darker and she was giving hints of scheming (with Audra as her Iago). So done already. Smh. 

 

Ooooo I saw. I never knew that and I agree that would have made the storyline better.

2 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Ooooo I love all of that. Things would be bananas right now if the writers had gone that route. 

 

Ah! That might have been one of the episode I missed before it vanished off my tv system then. I know that I liked where they were going with it by making Elena a little bit darker and she was giving hints of scheming (with Audra as her Iago). So done already. Smh. 

 

Ooooo I saw. I never knew that and I agree that would have made the storyline better.

Yeah, that was a very quick sequence of scenes. It was kind of odd because, they had that screening interview via video link between Elena and JT, where JT turned down Elena’s request for the podcast. Then afterwards, I believe that Elena was trying to think of a way to lure JT to Genoa City. That was the last time I heard of it before Elena quit the podcast. I think Brytni Sarpy’s expressions were giving a darker undercurrent so I had hoped that would be explored and even joked about it being her villain/vixen origin story.

I saw the last ten minutes of today's show. I actually liked the Adam and Frat Boy scenes. Phyliss still in hiding and leaving in a disguise so obvious was downright stupid and ridiculous! Anyone would notice her right away. 

Edited June 28, 20232 yr by Soapsuds