He did say that the shows are returning with new episodes so thats a plus.

I dont agree that Eric Nelsen (AJ) needs to be replaced or that OLTL wasted Roger Howarth

I don't understand why people bring that [!@#$%^&*] here to random, unrelated AMC and OLTL threads when they haven't even listened to it themselves. That means you, cassadine. At best, this needs to be moved to the In Production thread.

SInce it's here though, I listened to the podcast yesterday and I may have skipped around it here and there but I don't think I missed anything re: PP. Just to get it out of the way, I didn't get the impression that Giddens was holding back re: any talk of cancellation. He didn't mention any danger of that at all. He said he'd heard things about the shows but couldn't repeat them - I assume that's the same stuff some of us are hearing and won't repeat right now, and none of that has to do with cancellation.

They were surprisingly even-handed about the shows this time around, though none of them have any substantial history with OLTL as a viewer pre-Ron and that has always annoyed me when they start talking about the show. I don't agree with them about OLTL needing a full "reboot" or Eric Nelsen needing to go, but I thought they were a lot more fair than they ever had been and finally started treating them as more than an afterthought. And as they implictly noted, any modern soap in its first year had as many if not more kinks than these soaps thus far, with ten times the funding and corporate apparatus to prop it up.

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by Vee

all right, Vee.. I'll move it, damn... Don't have to be all OCD about it...

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by cassadine1991

I'm not being OCD, you're being stupid.

Remember that AMC spoiler you posted and acted like it was everyone else being oversensitive? You act like you're allowed to spoil these shows willy-nilly and it's fine because everyone is as obsessive and overly eager as you, and you can just spew [!@#$%^&*] anywhere in any thread and often say or do things without thinking or checking into them, and it's okay because you're just so excited and enthusiastic all the time. That's not the case. It's not okay. You're acting like a fool. Stop.

If you're going to say things or post links, read or listen to the [!@#$%^&*] you're talking about first instead of just posting them and making [!@#$%^&*] up because you're so excited and want to be first and be on the scene. Not that it's like this podcast has anything to do with any of these threads, but you keep posting them anyway.

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by Vee

okay.. not my problem

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by cassadine1991

No, it actually [!@#$%^&*] is your problem.

Don't post [!@#$%^&*] you don't read or listen to yourself, and don't post it anywhere if it has nothing to do with the thread. These podcasts are interesting but they have virtually nothing to do with these topics. And you know that, but because you've decided you are the #1 Fan you can do whatever you want. You're wrong.

I never claimed to be #1 anything, sorry for trying to find soap news.. Guess I'll ask for permission next time

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by cassadine1991

Where is the reference that people moved out of Pine Valley? Where are the explanations of characters missing in action in PV?

In a way thats kind of why I liked the jump, as with it being years later we all know people are likely to have moved.

So don't need it spelling out & taking up screen time.

And as they implictly noted, any modern soap in its first year had as many if not more kinks than these soaps thus far, with ten times the funding and corporate apparatus to prop it up.

THIS. More people need to acknowledge this when getting so upset about these shows. One of the very few soaps I can think of that started off well was (ironically enough), Passions. Y&R history books say that adding Katherine Chancellor is what gave that show a jolt. Having watched Ryan's Hope and Port Charles from the beginning, both were terrible and Ryan's Hope became one of the greatest soaps of all-time. Santa Barbara I've never seen, but I've heard it started off rough. DAYS, OLTL and AMC are soaps I think started well and I thought B&B was good from the beginning as well.

Basically, I'm willing to cut them slack on certain things, not everything, but the obvious growing pains of a new soap in a new medium on a budget. Everybody always laughs at their money problems, but these are basically independent productions. Give them time.

I'm not being OCD, you're being stupid.

Remember that AMC spoiler you posted and acted like it was everyone else being oversensitive? You act like you're allowed to spoil these shows willy-nilly and it's fine because everyone is as obsessive and overly eager as you, and you can just spew [!@#$%^&*] anywhere in any thread and often say or do things without thinking or checking into them, and it's okay because you're just so excited and enthusiastic all the time. That's not the case. It's not okay. You're acting like a fool. Stop.

If you're going to say things or post links, read or listen to the [!@#$%^&*] you're talking about first instead of just posting them and making [!@#$%^&*] up because you're so excited and want to be first and be on the scene. Not that it's like this podcast has anything to do with any of these threads, but you keep posting them anyway.

How is he acting like a fool? All he does is post a damn link and YOU fly off the handle bars.

No, it actually [!@#$%^&*] is your problem.

Don't post [!@#$%^&*] you don't read or listen to yourself, and don't post it anywhere if it has nothing to do with the thread. These podcasts are interesting but they have virtually nothing to do with these topics. And you know that, but because you've decided you are the #1 Fan you can do whatever you want. You're wrong.

I get the feeling you are one of those lonely miserable souls that has nothing better to do except try to make other people feel has low as you. You really need to stop attacking people. You can only hide behind the computer screen and treat it like a shield for so long...

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by allmc2008

Yeah, I'm not enabling you either.

Awwww, y'all are being too hard on our dear allmc... especially since Linda has taken his place as our resident crazy.

lol at someone making allmc look sane (no offense allmc!)

I have not seen one other fan who is not supportive of the time jump decision- I'm sure they exist- probably on Facebook or SOC. It made sense for AMC based on where the show ended and what the canvas was and who was available to PP. I don't think it would have been as a wise a choice for OLTL but it was absolutely the right call for AMC. As soon as I heard that was the plan, I was instantly much more excited for the show.

Im not a fan of it. It is what it is and Im not going to complain about it now but it was completely unnecessary. Nothing about the show since its debuted necessitated a jump 5 years. The only thing it accomplished was SORASing the kids but that was needed for that as soaps have been aging kids for decades with jumping into the future for that

Edited August 8, 201312 yr by Cheap21

lol at someone making allmc look sane (no offense allmc!)

Gee, non taken!

THIS. More people need to acknowledge this when getting so upset about these shows. One of the very few soaps I can think of that started off well was (ironically enough), Passions. Y&R history books say that adding Katherine Chancellor is what gave that show a jolt. Having watched Ryan's Hope and Port Charles from the beginning, both were terrible and Ryan's Hope became one of the greatest soaps of all-time. Santa Barbara I've never seen, but I've heard it started off rough. DAYS, OLTL and AMC are soaps I think started well and I thought B&B was good from the beginning as well.

Basically, I'm willing to cut them slack on certain things, not everything, but the obvious growing pains of a new soap in a new medium on a budget. Everybody always laughs at their money problems, but these are basically independent productions. Give them time.

Actually, I believe most people felt DAYS started off poorly, and it wasn't until Bell was moved there from ATWT that it picked up (a bit like AW and Agnes Nixon...) AMC had a lot of recasting issues in its first few months.

Delia, have you actually been watching AMC? Because it's basically the opposite of what you describe in terms of its writing and stories and follow-through.

If you're going to give up on a soap every time there's a HW change - especially in a raw new start-up - you're not going to have any left, and you know that. If there had been some massive overnight sea change I might see your point, but there hasn't been and I'm frankly not expecting one as they promoted from within and appear committed to the stories they're telling with the characters they're telling them with.

Right, never mind that the major changes were made at the end of a filming cycle (it seems pretty obvious by now that SBH left on her own.)