I'd just like to know what the endgame will be for Matthew and Destiny. Will Matthew step up eventually (doesn't have to be right away) and be a real parent to Drew? Will Destiny say "F-ck this!" and force Matthew to sign away all his parental rights? Will Matthew murder Destiny AND Drew when he thinks they're impeding his future with "Michelle" or Dani? Where are we going, OLTL?

OK now I'm confused--are we meant to be able to see the endgame so early in the, well game? Isn't that bad soap opera--and something that's been plaguing soaps where it's apparently who will be paired with who from scene one, for a while now?

More to the point, is Khan even watching the show?

More to the point, is Khan even watching the show?

LOL not trying to bring up more drama between you two--but I've wondered too (with AMC as well.) He seems to know the basic day to day plots own, but I thought had said he's not really watching....

I think they mean in terms of the story not a romance. I'm sure the ultimate endgame is Matthew being an active father to Drew. The problem is how long will it take to get there. The longer Matthew remains MIA the more sense it makes to terminate his rights. I have a feeling though that by the time Matthew wants to be a bigger part of Drew's life Destiny will be like !@#$%^&*] you we got Jeffrey now.

I will say that I'm glad we'll be seeing the journey. RC wasted months and then wrapped everything up in a nice neat package.

OK now I'm confused--are we meant to be able to see the endgame so early in the, well game? Isn't that bad soap opera--and something that's been plaguing soaps where it's apparently who will be paired with who from scene one, for a while now?

I agree with this completely. And that's what I really really like about this younger cast- there are no "Starr crossed lovers" at the outset of the reboot. And so everybody can hopefully go where chemistry and good story takes them. Sure, Des & Jeff have clicked a little this week but that doesn't mean we need to assume they're tied permanently. Same for Dani & Matthew- they have some history and have shared some longing gazes & a drunk kiss but they could sleep together once or end up engaged down the road. And just because Destiny & Matthew started the show in a bad place doesn't mean they are off the table either. Other off canvas kids can home and mix it up with them. And they aren't limited to their age group- Dani could end up with Cutter or Jeffrey/Natalie in a year or so. I really don't know where they're headed beyond what we all can kind of envision the next month or two of story. And after years of largely knowing exactly where Ron wanted to go with couples, that's a lovely lovely thing.

Edited May 29, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

OK now I'm confused--are we meant to be able to see the endgame so early in the, well game?

No, that isn't what I meant at all. I'd just like to feel there's story in all of this and not just "stuff."

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by Khan

I think they mean in terms of the story not a romance.

Precisely. I want to know where all these scenes are leading us to. We have a good idea of who everyone is, I think, and what they want. Now get ON with it. If it seems like I'm suggesting a romantic reunion of sorts between Matthew and Destiny, I apologize, because that isn't what I meant by "endgame."

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by Khan

I think with those kids, the people and their complicated relationships are the story. Which was enough back in the day to run on for years.

The longer Matthew remains MIA the more sense it makes to terminate his rights.

Same. Frankly, I'm surprised that thought (to have him sign away his parental rights) has not crossed Destiny's mind.

LOL not trying to bring up more drama between you two--but I've wondered too (with AMC as well.) He seems to know the basic day to day plots own, but I thought had said he's not really watching....

"Don't talk about me like I'm not here."

Actually, I have been keeping tabs. I'm not thrilled with either show, but I keep hoping that something -- anything! -- will catch my interest.

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by Khan

Destiny wants Matthew to be a father to Drew. She's still kinda hoping he'll come around one day. However her tune could change especially if/when she starts dating Jeffrey. That's where I would take the story. After 3-4 years of being MIA I don't want her to welcome Matthew in Drew's life with open arms the way Natalie probably will for John (if he ever returns).

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by Dee41

Destiny wants Matthew to be a father to Drew. She's still kinda hoping he'll come around one day.

I think so, too. I think that might be why she seems to have refused all help, financial or otherwise, from the Buchanans. Destiny doesn't want just ANYone to be involved in her son's life. She wants the one who was partially responsible for his being there in the first place. Frankly, though, I doubt Matthew will EVER come around where Destiny and Drew are concerned. In fact, five will get you ten that if/when he and Dani DO hook up and if SHE ends up pregnant as a result, he'll be more ready to jump into THAT situation over the one he has going now.

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by Khan

Destiny wants Matthew to be a father to Drew. She's still kinda hoping he'll come around one day. However her tune could change especially if/when she starts dating Jeffrey. That's where I would take the story. After 3-4 years of being MIA I don't want her to welcome Matthew in Drew's life with open arms the way Natalie probably will for John (if he ever returns).

The new Drew is adorable but this is why I think they should have stuck with a smaller baby. If its been 3 years, she should not be all I wish he would step up and I'll always love him. She should be so done and want to run over him over with her car.

Edited May 30, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

She should be so done and want to run over him over with her car.

I think so, too. I think that might be why she seems to have refused all help, financial or otherwise, from the Buchanans. Destiny doesn't want just ANYone to be involved in her son's life. She wants the one who was partially responsible for his being there in the first place. Frankly, though, I doubt Matthew will EVER come around where Destiny and Drew are concerned. In fact, five will get you ten that if/when he and Dani DO hook up and if SHE ends up pregnant as a result, he'll be more ready to jump into THAT situation over the one he has going now.

If that happened Matthew would be done as a character, at least for me. I would have to wonder if race is a factor and I doubt I'd be the only viewer to do. Having a biracial sister doesn't mean he couldn't have a bias of his own.

If that happened Matthew would be done as a character, at least for me. I would have to wonder if race is a factor and I doubt I'd be the only viewer to do. Having a biracial sister doesn't mean he couldn't have a bias of his own.

I highly doubt it's a race issue... Matthew was never that kind of person.