Yeah. I can see Andrea's point of people are going to be how they are.

I think PP was pretty damned if they do and damned if they don't in this case. I don't see them as treacherous but some do. I think them pulling the rug out last time just left a bad taste and people aren't going to get over it and really believe this will fail.

Frankly, a few things just don't seem to add up with that press release (people are watching but we're cutting them DOWN). I can see why folks are jumping to conclusions, I don't agree this means they're done, I think it means they once again got a little ahead of themselves. They should have just started with 2 episodes, although none of us will ever be 100% (including myself) satisfied. If they said that at the beginning there would have been the same outcry.

I do agree that part was spin.

I think it's more of the production schedule catching up to them than anything.

I agree with the production schedule catching up with them and thus, a dilemma, predicament. I give PP respect for coming forward with the news. Better get it out there.

I agree.

I think PP just assumed they were a 'package that attracted the same audience'. IMHO, they both have vastly different tones and I can see how one wouldn't appeal to the fans of the other. Of course, ABC tried to make all their soaps feel and look the same so ...

Right. I will say there's probably more overlap in viewers than with AMC and say another show, but I'm not sure by how much. Yes, soap opera viewing habits often tend to be more based on networks and what follows another than primetime viewing habits, but in this day and age less and less. I stand by saying that the package wouldn't have launched as successfully if they had only done one soap.

But I admit for me I was an AMC fan, then One Life (and then Loving after the AMC crossover.) From there I've sampled and gone back and forth with nearly all the other soaps as additions, GH I suppose the next most. Part of that was due to timeslot, part of it due to the fact that as a very young teen in the early 90s AMC and OLTL particularly spoke to me, part of it was that even back then I got obsessed with soap writers and Agnes Nixon in particular, etc, etc.

I agree with the production schedule catching up with them and thus, a dilemma, predicament. I give PP respect for coming forward with the news. Better get it out there.

Also agree it was the Production schedule that is hurting them the most.

I want quality over quanity so if this gives the shows more time to perfect their shows that is a major plus

Oh John I admire so much that you're so supportive of everything they do but you really think this won't affect quality cause it so will. things will now be rushed to the point we'll be saying WTF

Right off things will drag cause it's already filmed. I know i already said this but I expect Cassandra to now be rescued sometime around Labor Day. I'm being serious

Edited May 16, 201312 yr by dragonflies

Right, I think they aknowledge this (in a roundabout way) in their press release.

FOr the online soaps they wanted to modernize them by cutting out things like the endless dialogue recaping that is still done in soaps because they assume most soap fans watch 2-3 times a week. You know characters talking about what happened yesterday or flashbacks. Because they figured online people would have the chance to watch every single episode so it wasn't needed. Now they realize that because of this fact (amongst many others) many people are watching every single episode, but slowly, or they're backlogged...

or a long two week Fusion Dance-a thon, or a whole week to get from one day to the next in storylines.

This is bad. Really [!@#$%^&*] bad.

If they end. I'm no longer a soap watcher. I'm not gonna watch the [!@#$%^&*] the networks churn out anymore either. I'm just done.

This is bad. Really [!@#$%^&*] bad.

In fairness, you overreact to everything on Earth.

They need to pick a reason for this latest flop and stick with it!

It's not a flop, according to the numbers. But the production schedule has been merciless, and I think that's the key to this. Once that is under control, hopefully they can put it back at 3 or 4.

These shows were pretty much a rollercoaster BTS from the start. There has been no time to breathe. It's pretty much the extreme opposite of, say, DAYS, which is still airing episodes from before the invasion of Iraq.

Edited May 16, 201312 yr by Vee

I think PP fails to understand that people always have marathon watched shows especially in the hulu/netflix era. A lot of my friends marathon watch Revenge, OUAT, etc over a weekend span with little trouble, so PP's reasoning that the fans can't keep up is stupid..

However, to go from 4x to 2x makes viewers panic and assume that they shows are in trouble. With ABC/PP jerking the viewers around, they shouldn't be surprised at any negative reactions/panic coming from the fans.

Agreed about the panic mode. While I think we should have expected more leeway and experimentation from them int erms of how many episodes, of course it's obvious why ti does worry people.

People who are deciding not to support this then they will be gone forever. I am surprised at fans who wanted nothing more then these shows to return and don't want to watch or support.

Loyalty is a fickle friend. Dedication takes effort. I think that once the shock wears off, whenever the shows appear on, fans will show up to watch. Complainers but still watch.

or a long two week Fusion Dance-a thon, or a whole week to get from one day to the next in storylines.

Well we know the Fusion Dance-A-Thon was due to being over budget that month, so a cheap set to get all the characters in one place but man that was awful. I literally felt clasuterphobic.

Well, this was all rushed so im not surprised at all.

I dont think they are out of cash by any means - yet, however i do think money played a huge role in this. If it is just the sharing of studio space and thats causing production delays, get another studio. I said from the start producing these as if they were still on tv and paying actors the same rate as has been reported was going to kill them because no matter how many people watch online, it isnt going to bring in the same revenue as a commercial on tv. Not to mention they are no longer getting paid from GH for character and have to pay abc for the shows. As for how they are doing, they are doing far better than I thought they would, from what it seems - but I think they are also doing far less than what PP wanted/expected/needed. it sounds like people are watching one or the other, not both and in a marathon style and PP has an issue with that even tho this was supposed to be watch anytime, anywhere. Guess they really should have said watch both back to back daily. They for some reason dont like people marathon watching and are not happy people are not watching both. Also, if you look at the top shows on hulu many amc epsiodes are often before any oltl episodes, and it seems from the press release that they dont like that. i wouldnt call them a flop, but i wouldnt call them a massive hit either. how is that even really measured? whatever the reason in the end, this was a bad choice this early in cuz it sure does give the perception of it failing and them panicking.

Its been no secret i am not a fan of PP, at all, but i do hope these shows go on for yall. I watch an ep of amc a week or two and nothing of oltl cuz i didnt like it. but with amc going twice weekly i wont watch both episodes, ill watch one every couple weeks to sample it until something pulls me in. i do this with all my shows and always have.

Edited May 16, 201312 yr by JackPeyton

Well said JP

I wish you'd explain why you decided you "hated" them even before they aired, Jack, but I suppose your best wishes will suffice.

In fairness, you overreact to everything on Earth.

It's not a flop, according to the numbers. But the production schedule has been merciless, and I think that's the key to this. Once that is under control, hopefully they can put it back at 3 or 4.

These shows were pretty much a rollercoaster BTS from the start. There has been no time to breathe. It's pretty much the extreme opposite of, say, DAYS, which is still airing episodes from before the invasion of Iraq.

That comment about DOOL is so hilarious. The slowest soap on network television.

Quality Control is Job #1. Get the quality fixed and schedule tweaked.

LMAO

 

 

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