When and Why Did Cartini Lose Favor on This Board?

[Cheap21]

The ONLY good thing about Higley's run was Tess IMO. Everything else was a hot mess. Sadly, while Tess was enjoyable and better written under Higley, she was turned into a horrible caricature under RC

[Antoyne]

I stopped caring for them somewhere around Teen Jess and the unnecessary killing of Jared.

[Eric83]

Eli being behind EVERYTHING. RC wrote Marty being pushed down the stairs, Melinda Cramer being killed, Ford being beat up just tie up to one person because he writes sh-t without thinking about where he wants to go with it. Oh and Eli was behind Tea having terminal cancer Hot ass mess.

I dropped OLTL, came back to see KZ and it got better, but didn't start watching daily until the cancellation announcement. RC can really high highs but he has horrible lows.

And somehow Starr ended up being kidnapped and thrown in the middle of it.

[Winchester91]

OLTL was going fine until 3 key moments:

*The Writer's Strike...which derailed tons of planned stories.

*Jolie fans pressuring the show to have JB fired as Jared.

*The mass firing of the actors (due to JPL and Farah's alleged jealousy) playing Sky/Rachel/Kish/Stacy...as well as Amanda Setton leaving. The show never recovered.

[EricMontreal22]

I think I found some of Higley's stuff more offensive than RC's--but it could be argued. Still thinks like Todd's rape, or Vicki and Clint having to watch kiddie porn of their child come close at least.

But I did think Higley was worse because I found her OLTL when it wasn't makingme shake my head, often just extremely boring for big chunks of time--whereas I find RC fairly watchable on a day to day basis--it's the structure of his stories I have issue with.

Oh wow I completely blocked out that fake cancer story.

[DRW50]

Probably around summer/fall 2009, and definitely by early 2010.

[JackPeyton]

its amazing to me that DH wrote Tess better than RC ever even came close to.

[jfung79]

I think most GH fans who watched the real GH in the 80s or 90s (didn't start in the Guza mob era), and who never watched OLTL, like Valentini and Carlivati.

90%+ of the criticism I see of that regime on this board is from people who also watched them on OLTL and have OLTL baggage, and/or is from Guza-era fans.

As for myself, it's still too early for me to pass judgment on them since I've only been watching GH again for three and a half weeks, but GH feels more like the "real GH" to me than it has in 15 years. So I can safely say they are good enough for me not to turn off the TV right away in disgust as I would have in the mob era. They're off to a great start at impressing me, and it's obvious that Carlivati really was a fan of GH growing up. Both his strength and his weakness is that he is a superfan and writes from a fannish perspective. "What's Bobbie Spencer up to? What ever happened to Heather Webber?" -- he said in an interview that things like that give him ideas for stories. This can be a delight but can also lead him to be scattered, as I believe Vee pointed out.

[JackPeyton]

Guzas mob era is also the real gh. As real as the 80s, the 90's, the 70s and the 60s.

And a lot of people that did watch "the real" gh have been critical of things like the sabrina propping, the bad plotting, the go nowhere stories, etc..

[AllMyDaysatGH]

Thank you sir

[quartermainefan]

Hardly. That's like saying the real All In The Family is the years Mike and Gloria left and the show starred that kid nobody remembers.

[DRW50]

Not sure if all fans of the 80s GH love the show now. Robert Scorpio fans have few reasons to do so.

[JackPeyton]

No,

Its saying that Guzas GH was YOUR gh, Thats it. I am sure plenty of people did not like the cheesy action adventure [!@#$%^&*] of the 80s that took over it, ive seen people who perefered that and hated the 90s GH. It doesnt make one a fake version of GH, they are all GH. You just dont like one and prefer some to others, and theres nothing wrong with that, but there is also nothing wrong with fans of GH prefering the Guza years of it either.

[AdelaideCate007]

This.

Different people prefer different eras but its still all GH. There's no "real era" or "fake era".

[quartermainefan]

Yes.

It's as if someone were to try to say the real twilight zone was the 90s remake and not the Rod Serling 50s show. Or the Real Happy Days were the years after Ron Howard left the show. Or its like saying Godfather III is just as much the real Godfather as I and II. Or that girl who played Cindy Brady on the Brady christmas movie was just as much the real Cindy as Susan Olson.

I get you are a fan of mobbie GH, but the pop culture has spoken and that's why Luke and Laura are still on the cover of People Magazine and TV Guide 30 years later, and no one on earth ever heard of Maurice Benard and Steve Burton. The Mob GH is the real GH to nobody except fans of the mob GH, and that's why so many articles have come out lamenting the wrong turn GH took in recent years.