Tyler Perry's 'Haves and Have Nots' on OWN

[ChitHappens]

I agree 100%! I was trying to find a description for this woman, and that will do. She is not the matriarch for the Cryers. Bad casting!

[Vee]

Now I've got to watch this [!@#$%^&*].

[EricMontreal22]

I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on it, Vee. As I've made clear, I think it's awful but in a sorta mesmerizing, brilliant way--but obviously that's not the intention, and I don't mean to belittle those on here who love it, or who have said it's a true return to vintage Y&R style daytime soap (poor Bill Bell....)

[Vee]

Unless it's On Demand, I've penciled it in to DVR all of 'em next week.

[EricMontreal22]

I think OWN constantly reruns them. I had just better not here any nonsense about it being better soap than the online soaps

[KMan101]

Pretty much all this.

I like the show just fine and actually do want to watch it every week, but it's far from great, gripping television.

[Darn]

Who said that? LOL

The problem with this show that I'm seeing is that the scenes don't come to their natural conclusion. So characters are stuck making a point that over and over again for no reason. Like that scene with Peter Parros and the cop, it didn't need to be that long or that repetitive. And how many times can Wyatt's parents tell him he's a useless addict? Or chastise his sponsor (or whatever) for not paying attention to him? It's operating like a daytime soap when it's not. The show is on weekly, we don't need to be told the same thing so many times.

I still think Candace and Hannah are the best of the lot. Good actors, characters with a lot of potential (though that scene with Hannah and her son in the last episode was TORTURE, why were there such long pauses between each line of their dialogue? And again it was repetitive.).

Also this show needs to work on crafting cliffhangers. Either they're not trying or they're duds.

[Cheap21]

I've also thought scenes lasted too long. I especially took note of that in the initial Candice/Jim scene. His bedroom scene with Katherine did as well

Edited June 7, 2013 by Cheap21

[frequentsoapfan]

I've been looking for when OWN will rerun it again.

Granted I only saw a few epis of Generations but I thought that soap was awful so I hope it's not as bad a Generations.

If I can suffer through 2 epis of Hit the Floor I think I can sit through one of this.

Did they bust out those awful 80s style catfights yet?

[Darn]

Not yet. Most of the scenes have been a lot of talking. A LOT of going on and on and ON. And some of the actors, like the white daughter, are laughably bad. Really awful.

[Vee]

The real question is, how many times can I tell you?

[Darn]

The only thing I'm addicted to is your White Devil taunts.

[Nate4]

Does anyone know where I can watch it online? :/

[EricMontreal22]

I've piked on you about this show (and the online ones) before But you didn't say the vintage Y&R comparison--someone else did on here in one of the first few pages (I swear, but am too lazy to look.) On another forum, whenever anyone says anything bad about the show, a group of peple who LOOOOOOVE it reply that they are hypocrits because t's just as good as vintage Knots and Dynasty (to which I'd say vintage Knots had far more relatable and better writing and vintage Dynasty was aware of how great its camp appeal was--and both for primetime soaps looked spectacular.)

But I definitely agree with you. Between scenes going on too long and--as you mention with the Hannah and her son scene, but I find his in most of hte scenes--the pauses between each line of dialogue, even when they should be quick comebacks, Perry has zero sense of how to direct this. I think in this case he probably is striving for the sorta hypnotic way people talk on Bill Bell soaps--he has said he was obsessed with Y&R as a kid--but he's going about it all wrong, because that style doesn't mean you take a long beat between every reply.

I wonder if at one time tis was an attempt to write a daytime soap and then they decided to just invest weekly? Because the writing so far is as repetitve as Reilly's writing which, as you say, can work in a daytime soap, but it seems ridiculous to be even more repetitive than most daytime soaps when you are weekly. I do think Tika makes Candace work (she genuinely seems to boh care about Amanda genuinely and her brother and be a completely manipulative bitch, something that is more in the performance than the writing) and Hannah is good actress too, although I find her "'po' black God-fearing matriarch" who hates her demon daughter and worhips her agelic son a bit too cliche even for this genre, and John Schneider seems to realize he's playing camp and have fun with it. Mrs Potts understudy lady looks the part as Katherine but has weird line delivery--which with such weird dialogue doesn't help.

Why doesn't Wyatt just become a male model or go into porn to support his habit? I know super buff, hot half naked men who still have all these issues are nothing new to soaps, but I seriously get no sense of him being a heroin and everything elese long term user with no prospects who has bizarre "quirks" that the others barely blink an eye to like taking off all his clothes. Perry sorta has little quirks for each character (Amanda is sweet and dumb and look she CUTS!) and I think he thinks that makes their characters complex but otherwise they're pretty blank. And Jeffrey is beyond ridiculous (I really picture Perry telling him to lick his lips like some hungry dog when he lusts after Wyatt's body--who does that!), not even realizing that as soon as he literally turnshis back, Wyatt has gulped down every glass of champagne on the table.

I could talk about this show all day.

Edited June 7, 2013 by EricMontreal22

[EricMontreal22]

Torrents.