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Y&R February 2013 Discussion

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Tammin Sursok and Thad Luckinbill weren't really given any important stuff together until literally two days before TS's final airdate. It was only at that point that I perked up and, for the first time, appreciated what Sursok was bringing to the role of Colleen. But of course MAB pissed on all that, and I don't think I will ever forgive her for killing off Colleen and Brad so spitefully. Like, it's not just "Their plane went missing," both are dead as doornails and it will be almost impossible to bring their characters back.

The worst part is that under Lynsey Fonseca, this character had so much power and potential -- like Victoria Newmanesque potential. Unlike some here I also loved Adriana Leon as Colleen.

Adrienne Leon was a good recast, but I did not like Tammin Sursok at all as Colleen. Regardless who was playing Colleen, she and J.T. should have never been permanently split up. J.T.'s sudden love, kid, and marriage to Victoria was ridiculous and I knew that it would be a dead end for his character. He should have always been in the younger set.The WTD story should have been Colleen's with J,T and Adrian as the possible fathers.

What MAB did to Brad and Colleen was unforgivable. The permanent way that MAB killed them both and in such a short space of time too was horrible, although I still think that Colleen can be resurrected with some imagination. To this day, I don't understand why MAB did it and why Sony/CBS allowed her to do it, especially Colleen who was a legacy character with so many family ties to the canvas. Both characters could have been easily sent away to NY for a while. MAB had already driven me away from Y&R, I refused to watch her kill Brad and Colleen's death was the end for me.

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I thought that AL gave Colleen the same sweetness that Lyndsy was able to convey. It was even more difficult for AL because LML gave Colleen a bitchiness and deceptiveness that she never had before. Yet, even with the conflict with Brad and Victoria, and then later the affair with Adrian, I thought that Colleen remained a fundamentally good person. It never felt like she wanted to hurt J.T. or that she was no longer in love with him, but rather she was confused about her new feelings for this other man. I always thought she and J.T. would have worked things out when she got back from N.Y. All he had to do is determinedly pursue her and remind her about how much they loved each other and she would go back to him. Instead all hell broke loose and the role was recast with J.T. shipped off to horrible Victoria Newman-land.

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I thought that AL gave Colleen the same sweetness that Lyndsy was able to convey. It was even more difficult for AL because LML gave Colleen a bitchiness and deceptiveness that she never had before. Yet, even with the conflict with Brad and Victoria, and then later the affair with Adrian, I thought that Colleen remained a fundamentally good person. It never felt like she wanted to hurt J.T. or that she was no longer in love with him, but rather she was confused about her new feelings for this other man. I always thought she and J.T. would have worked things out when she got back from N.Y. All he had to do is determinedly pursue her and remind her about how much they loved each other and she would go back to him. Instead all hell broke loose and the role was recast with J.T. shipped off to horrible Victoria Newman-land.

Poor Tammin. Couldn't quite keep that Kiwi accent under control, could she?

JT being shackled to AH/Victoria? That's like the hell other characters go to before they die, right?

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Seriously, I cannot begin to figure which one of them was worse; Victoria or Mac. Victoria, I think, because she sucks the life out of her screen partners, but Mac is a close second. J.T. lost all his personality when Colleen left the first time. I actually thought that he regained it when AL was cast as Colleen. He was back to his snarky, occasionally obnoxious-self. They had chemistry and their fights while manufactured, at least, had energy and made them seem like a real couple.

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JT was also shackled to the horrible Mac recast and they had a son(ironically his name is Dylan as well) offscreen

JT is father to a Chancellor & a Newman.

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My sympathies to J.T. Boy, did he draw the short end with those two. You know, you would think that it would be big deal, but he got written out anyway.

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My sympathies to J.T. Boy, did he draw the short end with those two. You know, you would think that it would be big deal, but he got written out anyway.

That's the part I don't even understand. During a tenure where we've suffered through Billy Miller he got written out.

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That's the part I don't even understand. During a tenure where we've suffered through Billy Miller he got written out.

That was the peak of the Hogan "men with balls" era. Baked hams like Billy and sociopath kings like Adam and Victor. Not much else. JT was more of a beta male, and only a writer with half a brain can work with those.

There were rumors that JT was supposed to be killed and it was rewritten at the last minute, so it could have been worse.

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That was the peak of the Hogan "men with balls" era. Baked hams like Billy and sociopath kings like Adam and Victor. Not much else. JT was more of a beta male, and only a writer with half a brain can work with those.

There were rumors that JT was supposed to be killed and it was rewritten at the last minute, so it could have been worse.

Yeah he could've had a Diane Jenkins style death.

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Damn, they were planning yet another death? I suppose J.T. was supposed to be killed in that accident.Those people... Sony/CBS have a lot to answer for, the Bells too.

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Okay, those PTSD/army/war scenes were hilariously bad. When will these people admit to themselves that Burton cannot act and give us all a break.

Oh no, stay away from her, Jack! Phyllis has cooties!

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Okay, those PTSD/army/war scenes were hilariously bad. When will these people admit to themselves that Burton cannot act and give us all a break.

Oh no, stay away from her, Jack! Phyllis has cooties!

I keep seeing praise for him on Y&R but he's seriously underwhelming. Other then the Someting More song his scenes are not memorable.

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I keep seeing praise for him on Y&R but he's seriously underwhelming. Other then the Soming More song his scenes are not memorable.

No doubt most of that praise is coming from the same media and fans who fawned over his crap performances on GH for years. Have you ever seen the satire of Jason's Walk of Pain? Jason finds the biological son that he has ignored for years alive and proceeds to walk aimlessly around for two minutes. It is Burton at his worse. Hang in there until .49 when it gets hilarious thanks to a creative GH fan. To this day, this is funny as hell. It never gets old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfdM095uiks

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