& I can't wait for all of them to die then these viewers don't have worry about VR coming back or any black recast. I'll celebrate the end of soaps. While these viewers be asking for people to sign some kind of petition for them to be save. I don't care if the cast is out of work because my favorite were let go a long time ago.

Coincidences Mo. All coincidences.

I don't want soaps to die. I'm still crying over AMC and OLTL. I don't need another one to kick off.

Though, I must agree that alot of the stuff that goes on backstage is probably better drama than what we see onscreen. Ha.

I'll admit, the treatment of those actors is pretty blatant racism. But that has NOTHING to do with Michelle Stafford and therefore nothing to do with this discussion. MS didn't fire Tonya, Bryton or Veronica, so why do you keep bringing it up? It's an entirely different conversation.

Frankly, SoapBoy, there's, like, ten different conversations going on here and I can't keep them straight anymore.

Though, I must agree that alot of the stuff that goes on backstage is probably better drama than what we see onscreen. Ha.

Somebody should write a book about it.

I've read like one soap book. I need to read more.

I miss Veronica and Tonya but Bryton is one shitty actor...glad he is leaving.

Same. And yes, Veronica and Tonya (and practically every other African-American who has ever worked on Y&R) were handed a proverbial raw deal; and yes, their ethnicity had more than a little to do with that.

Y&R is a racist soap opera -- written, produced and directed by racist individuals -- and has been for quite some time. And yet...? Until recently, Black folks ate this [!@#$%^&*] up, for the simple fact that Victoria was a sistah and Shemar was a fine piece of ass. (Well, that, and because, like gay men, they (okay, we) have a yen for watching campy melodramas about rich white people with no home training.)

Y&R made its legacy off the devoted following of individuals who were too damned ignorant to see through the b.s. and realize what TPTB really thought of them; and if they aren't happy with the way the AA experience is being handled now on their show, they have only themselves to blame.

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I've read like one soap book. I need to read more.

Ellen Holly's book is good.

I don't think Y&R is the only racist soap either. There's a reason I've started to call the setting of General Hospital "Port Crackerville"

They have 3 AA characters. And, they rarely get airtime.

Oooh, thanks Dee. I'll have to see if my library can get me her book. (They probably don't have it in because I live in the sticks. LOL)

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Frankly, SoapBoy, there's, like, ten different conversations going on here and I can't keep them straight anymore.

Right?

They have 3 AA characters. And, they rarely get airtime.

But do you have concrete proof they get no airtime weareclouds?

I just don't want her to return and subject is all to how hard it is to do a scene with MS because all she can think about is the spit.

She hasn't said that and she hasn't mentioned the spitting incident in years. Fans have discussed it, but she is over it. Also, I think a major issue is that Stafford even admits to discussing it with OTHER people, but why not Rowell? That's why I think something was going on. I don't think it's necessarily racism, or intentional racism, but it's possible she and Rowell weren't getting along and she viewed it more as a prank. I don't think she immediately got the racist connection, but she certainly meant it as a way to mess with Rowell, otherwise she would've mentioned it to her (like she did others). Soaps can't afford re-takes especially once Rowell complains and stops the scene. You would always run something like that across your screen partner.

No. But, it's very rare when they do. I think Epiphany has popped up twice in the past 3 months. Shawn was on a few times the past month. And, so was TJ (both the old one and the recast) I'll have to look at the year-to-date cast appearences so far. I'll do that tomorrow. I'm way too out of it tonight to go and try to see if I can find that list.

It's not that they get no airtime either. It's just very little airtime. I remember the cast of GH being alot more diverse during the Labine/Riche and Guza/Riche years than it is now.

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I had to actually think for a minute and remind myself that Ephiphany is on GH because I couldn't think of the 3 AAs on GH. The latino presence on GH sucks too, well mostly for the latinos playing openly latino characters. They are perfectly fine with Latinos who they can write as white characters.

Yeah. There's barely any diversity at all over there. There used to be Latino characters/AA characters/Asian characters, etc. Now it's Port Crackerville.

And, I miss Piph being on alot. She gets people working! When she's around there was no "Let's stand around here and not do our jobs" It was do your job. Or, face Piph. But, she also had this loving side to her. I rewatched the episodes where she found out Stan was dead on SN not too long ago. And, it was so sad. She just broke down so much that she had a heart attack and collapsed clutching the urn with his ashes in it. Really good drama..and really so sad.

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No. But, it's very rare when they do. I think Epiphany has popped up twice in the past 3 months. Shawn was on a few times the past month. And, so was TJ (both the old one and the recast) I'll have to look at the year-to-date cast appearences so far. I'll do that tomorrow. I'm way too out of it tonight to go and try to see if I can find that list.

It's not that they get no airtime either. It's just very little airtime. I remember the cast of GH being alot more diverse during the Labine/Riche and Guza/Riche years than it is now.

DeeeDee doesn't want you to dig up that list for "concrete proof". She was making a blatantly bitchy dig at me because I earlier asked her to provide concrete proof that Michelle Stafford spit on VR because she's racist.

She still hasn't provided it, by the way.

Edited August 27, 201213 yr by SoapBoy94