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GH: August 2012 Discussion Thread

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Now even Johnny the rapist and kid killer?

I don't see how Johnny is being written as comedy. He has wanted to atone for what he has done after committing a mistake. His character isn't ruined and more over he isn't being shown in a negative light for another character. Johnny's sins are his alone and it drives story for him, it's character based. We see how much he wants to change and be a better person and want to change and get out of the mob. It's nowhere near as bad as perpetual screw-up cuckold Lucky and how he was a complete loser compared to Jason, not to mention how he was infantilized as a character to the point of uselessness, he couldn't even tie his shoe laces without Liz there to support him. You had Jax trying to buy her uterus because useless Lucky couldn't provide for his family and wasn't man enough to support his woman.

Look at the difference between how Patrick's addiction storyline is being treated compared to Lucky's and tell me there isn't a massive change in characterization in terms of sympathy in regards to how they are written. Lucky was completely trashed under Guza (numerous times) to justify other characters choices and decisions. I am using Lucky because he was the poser child for it but there are many, many more characters thrown under the bus for Guza's pets. Patrick and Johnny have not been trashed anywhere near the amount that GV's version of Luckless was and that is a direct improvement for Cartini ahead of Guza.

Look, no mob. Look, no Jason and Sonny.

The show has been a lot better with the moderation of Sonny and Jason being pushed to supporting and background characters. Immeasurably. I can't agree with you there. The stories themselves aren't great I agree. But the show and the characters are much more watchable since the work doesn't feel or appear to be so heavy handed in terms of general bias.

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Eh. I don't think the show is bad now, just tepid and boring. At least I am not wanting to throw things at my television screen every time Jason, Sonny, Carly or Liz are on like I did before. People can praise Guza to high heavens if they want, but it won't change the fact that it was clear who was in the right in all of his stories and who was in the wrong like a kindergarten child's coloring book. At least with this version of GH no one is portrayed as black and white nor are they defined as right or wrong. There is no endless justifications for bastard, cruel characters getting away with things just because they are a part of the anointed three/four. There are no apologists and endless praises for one character while ignoring their unsavory points to the extent of having the entire cast become imbeciles to support them. Characters aren't being derided to the point of damn near comedy. There is no Lucky's to Jason's, Claudia's to Carly's, Rebecca's to Liz's, or Ric's to Sonny's. There is at least some semblance of equal footing and balance in characterization in terms of both flaws and virtues, which I like.

I definitely agree that, to an extent, we're not being told who to root for as much . . . previously marginalized characters are allowed more of a voice. But RC still pussyfoots around a lot of major stuff, IMO. I think the main problem with the show right now is that it's really erratic; like I said above, I appreciate the movement, but there's an incredibly random quality to the show since RC took over. Like this Jerry Jacks business--WTF?!? LOL. It's brought the show together, but not in a way that's logical. Still, I'm SO glad people aren't as isolated anymore.

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I don't see how Johnny is being written as comedy.

You said characters aren't derided to the point of comedy. AJ and Lucky weren't written as comedy, but they were derided. So is Johnny. He had to become yet another "Cartini" psycho who does every bad thing the plot calls for, because that was the best way to prop Todd and Sonny.

The show has been a lot better with the moderation of Sonny and Jason being pushed to supporting and background characters. Immeasurably.

I don't see a difference. Has having John, who tanks every scene and has zero chemistry with anyone, taking half of Jason's role really made a difference? Has having Joe Jr and his denture whistling and 30 year old Ford knockoff son been that fantastic? The filler stories remain filler stories. Most of PC revolves around one generic headcase after another.

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Don't forget Jax!

Definitely, he was virtually just LW's chew toy over the last 2-3 years. I hope they utilize him better this time around.

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This Joe Jr character is terrible and this whole reality tv wedding scheme mess is just embarrassing.

I didn't pay any attention to the rest of the dreck.

Watching an episode from a few days ago and John J York is aging so well compared to most of GH's so called leading men. I was floored at just how hideous Michael Easton looks. He looks like a pterodactyl.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Looks like Toad has bee struck by Cupid's arrow right in his rapist, baby napping, killing lying ass!

It would be absolutely insane to put him with Carly. The friendship is fine.

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Say what you will about Guza, but IMO where scriptwriting was concerned he put the best, most consistent team together in Daytime. I'm not saying they were godly or anything but day to day, the dialogue was more astute & made more sense.

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The dialogue started getting really bad under GW after he fired the better scriptwriters and has gotten even worse under Cartooni and the band of soapkillers writing this dreck.

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I wouldn't know, as I haven't seen the show. But for the better part of a year she looked like a cheap trick.

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Kelly Sullivan is one of the nicest stars on GH right now. It's so funny to see Julie Berman, Lisa LoCicero, Kelly Monaco, Kirsten Storms, Kelly Sullivan, & Laura Wright competing for John Ingle's affections. They really brighten his day, and he needs it.

Aw, that's so sweet just to think about!

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