Members quartermainefan Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Did Jennifer have the guy fix the election? I missed a segment and suddenly they won. It's a shame to see Jennifer and Abe so morally compromised like this because it blurs the distinction between right and wrong. Jennifer is always supposed to be right, Nicole wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think this whole story has been about recycling history with a few new names attached. Sami is Marlena. Will is Sami. Carrie "stole" Rafe. Abigail is the new Sami. But it's all so plot driven and everyone involved is so unpleasant, to me. I think even the confrontation was full of ham and was spoiled by having a variation of the scene play out about a dozen times over the previous few months. They want these shocking moments and big screamy scenes but never any motivation or heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 I dont at all. If it was about recycling history the stories would be much, much more similar. The stories are completely different, just some of the situations are the same. That part i like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think Nicole made it look like Jennifer did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 It's when so many situations are similar, and are similar just for the sake of it, not because it furthers drama, that it bothers me. There has been very little real drama in most of this, due to pacing issues - for instance, Will was hostile to Sami from the minute he saw her with EJ, so when the big confrontation happened, and he was hostile again, so what? Marlena found out and they never had a real confrontation over the issue. Rafe can't feel betrayed because he's already cheated with Carrie. Abigail as the new Sami lacks punch because it happened in about ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 wouldnt that be an example then of how these stories arent exactly the same? IDA that Rafe cant feel betrayed. With how vehemently Sami is going after him with her hypocrisy, he has every right to feel betrayed when he finds out the truth and he should bc she's raking him over the coals for one kiss which she found out about the second it happened, yet she screwed another man and has been lying for months. The situations dont even compare. She'll have no valid defense when he goes off on her for that Thats been building up for months. The girl started showing bitch potential since like spring of last yearand its only recently that they are going full out with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 The history, or attempts to connect the dots with history, are the same, which makes the differences more clumsy. Having Will huff and puff "It's not the same!" about Marlena/Sami just makes the need for parallels more questionable in the first place. Other than saying, "Gee, love that irony," has this actually led to any interesting story? Or is it just the same arguments Sami/Marlena and Will/Sami have had a dozen times already? Having Austin as a dumbass who repeats 1995-era stories doesn't show some great respect for history, it just shows how empty he is as a character. Having Rafe sniff after Carrie isn't a genius use of the past, it's a stunt that makes he and Carrie look cheap. In many ways what Rafe did is worse, because he has no complex history with Carrie. In no time after he met her, he was shoving his tongue down his throat, and while he said he regrets it, the smirks and other weird moments don't say the same thing. Sami, at least, regrets what she did and tried to move on with her life. The drama in this story, IMO, should have been this "perfect" family slowly decaying because of Sami's guilt and shame, and when the truth is revealed, Rafe begins falling for Carrie. Instead, Rafe falls for Carrie when he has zero reason to move on from Sami. He's kissing her after a few weeks of these great feelings, which is shallow and rushed. He can feel as betrayed as he wants when he learns about Sami/EJ, but he will be a huge hypocrite, and most of the drama of the story is out the window, because this was such a shallow relationship that it took nothing at all to break it down. I would say there's a difference between bitch potential and randomly claiming a drunk man had sex with you, one you only started caring about shortly before. Even the actress has just had to repeatedly say it's because of her father and how she is transferring her father feelings onto Austin, which has not been expressed onscreen. The other part of this which bothers me - is the sole reason they had Abigail fixate on Austin down to him already having this story? If so, I think that's very shoddy writing. It would be like having Nicole forced into porn or going around terrorizing people wearing opera masks, just because she's already done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 it wasnt random. She has had a thing for Austin for months. She fell for him hard long before this lie and her obsession started before she started working for him. She didnt make up this lie. Austin is the one that assumed they had sex adn she is running with it.. This isnt something they just started like 2 weeks before it all happened. There's been a slow build up to Abby making her move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Didn't she and Chad just break up in November or December? It's only mid-February. For her to obsess over him to this extent in such a short time feels random to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yes they did, but Abby was infatuated with Austin long before the break up. You dont remember her confessing to Melanie about her feelings for some other guy and being conflicted bc she was dating Chad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 I don't remember this being enough to make her lie about sex with a drunk man. The initial Sami/Austin story leading up to her drugging him took over a year to build. And Kate Mansi basically justifies the story with stuff which hasn't ever been expressed onscreen. But we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Abby is comnig across unstable. I dont think she is exactly thinking clearly. She's not psychotic yet, but she acts like she could go down that route with the wrong trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Antoyne Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Rafe and Carrie has been hinted at since Carrie returned. The flirty friendship started when they were working on John's case. I'm not sure if you're choosing to ignore it or what. I don't understand this need for things to take years to build when soaps don't even have that kind of time in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 Carrie only returned in the fall. I don't think that's enough time for this relationship, especially when the crux of the story was supposed to be that Rafe was an honorable man, and Sami's sex with EJ would destroy what she had with Rafe. What exactly do they have, if it's tossed aside that easily? The story now has no stakes. I guess if someone is looking forward to seeing Carrie or Rafe blast Sami as a hypocrite, that's something, but there was much more drama in waiting. Soaps still have that kind of time. It's not about stalling, it's about pacing stories at the proper time, with the right buildup. Everything in this story has been erratically timed and as a result most of the potential fireworks are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gtru1981 Posted February 17, 2012 Members Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would love down the road we came to find out she has the same illness as her grandmother Laura. Make for a great story and use Rich history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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