You disagree?? YOU disagree? Based on WHAT?! For the love of God, Miss Thang, you didn't work for Brian Frons, have a conversation with Brian Frons nor even meet Brian Frons. If you did, honey, believe me, I KNOW we'd be hearing about it for days! So, who the hell are YOU to sit up here and disagree with a man who has? You're not an "insider." You don't KNOW any "insiders."

It seems like the two people who know the least are typing the most.

Not to challenge all of this but Susan Lucci if you recall did have much harsher words about Frons than some of the others and I'd tend to believe her perspective moreso than some of the actors, who likely had less insight and history with him. I don't think she ever by the way said Frons was the devil just that she felt based on her experience with him, that he had a lot of culpability in what happened with AMC and the ABC Soap lineup after he took over. It doesnt make anyone wrong,

Not to challenge all of this but Susan Lucci if you recall did have much harsher words about Frons than some of the others and I'd tend to believe her perspective moreso than some of the actors, who likely had less insight and history with him. I don't think she ever by the way said Frons was the devil just that she felt based on her experience with him, that he had a lot of culpability in what happened with AMC and the ABC Soap lineup after he took over. It doesnt make anyone wrong,

IA. The fact that Susan Lucci rarely talks bad about anyone but had some harsh words for Frons speaks volumes to me. IMO, Frons is the devil. LOL!

And that's Susan Lucci's personal experience with the man. My point is, people who have NO experience with the person in question really have no leg to stand on when it comes to disagreeing with the perception of someone else who has. Experience trumps opinion, no matter how popular that opinion might be.

Not to challenge all of this but Susan Lucci if you recall did have much harsher words about Frons than some of the others and I'd tend to believe her perspective moreso than some of the actors, who likely had less insight and history with him. I don't think she ever by the way said Frons was the devil just that she felt based on her experience with him, that he had a lot of culpability in what happened with AMC and the ABC Soap lineup after he took over. It doesnt make anyone wrong,

But then Rebecca Budig is close friends with him. So, again, whose perception is the correct one? Both, because they've BOTH had their own personal experiences. This woman who's disagreeing with Walt Willey that he isn't the devil has not!

Edited December 8, 201114 yr by R Sinclair

Well, then, fine, I'll shut the [!@#$%^&*] up.

Don't you dare.

I still can't believe that after all this RC and FV are the ones who manage to stay employed.

Why not? Aren't they the ones who manage to keep their show below budget? I'm guessing that has a lot to do with them staying employed. Also, OLTL has been doing as well as GH in the ratings, even though people know it's over. Personally, I'm glad they are the ones who have stayed employed. I enjoy OLTL much more than GH, even though I've been watching GH MUCH longer.

Why not? Aren't they the ones who manage to keep their show below budget? I'm guessing that has a lot to do with them staying employed. Also, OLTL has been doing as well as GH in the ratings, even though people know it's over. Personally, I'm glad they are the ones who have stayed employed. I enjoy OLTL much more than GH, even though I've been watching GH MUCH longer.

I don't care about OLTL vs. GH and i won't even begin to discuss whether OLTL is a good show. I'll let other people address that. It's just that I suspect RC and FV did a lot to pimp PP and now that it's dead I think they deserve to share in that pain with the cast and the crew who are now unemployed. For them to just coast into new jobs while the cast and crew of two soaps had to start over from scratch doesn't seem just or fair. That may not be pretty but it's what I think. There are a lot of other people who deserve a fresh start before those two. IMO, they should rot in the same hole as PP and its promises and lies.

Edited December 9, 201114 yr by marceline

I don't care about OLTL vs. GH and i won't even begin to discuss whether OLTL is a good show. I'll let other people address that. It's just that I suspect RC and FV did a lot to pimp PP and now that it's dead I think they deserve to share in that pain with the cast and the crew who are now unemployed. For them to just coast into new jobs while the cast and crew of two soaps had to start over from scratch doesn't seem just or fair. That may not be pretty but it's what I think. There are a lot of other people who deserve a fresh start before those two. IMO, they should rot in the same hole as PP and its promises and lies.

I think it's probably mostly about being under contract to ABC.

It's just that I suspect RC and FV did a lot to pimp PP and now that it's dead I think they deserve to share in that pain with the cast and the crew who are now unemployed.

But isn't it likely that they were duped just like nearly everyone else? Either way, it's not like GH is going to be living a long life. They get 9 months more employment most likely.

Also, I'm not saying that OLTL is the best show ever, but given the budget challenges these shows face, I simply think it is significantly better than GH is right now. Not that it matters because I don't think ABC cares about quality. I think they care that GH limps to the finish line on budget and that's something RC and FV seem capable of delivering.

I think it's probably mostly about being under contract to ABC.

I know that now. Errol was kind enough to clear that up for me upthread. But that still doesn't change anything for me on the general principle: Frank and Ron don't deserve to be the last ones standing.

But isn't it likely that they were duped just like nearly everyone else?

Ron? Maybe. But Frank had been offered and accepted a position as a VP. IMO, he should go down with that ship. Not get to go to a fallback job at GH. But whatever. He'll be unemployed soon enough.

Edited December 9, 201114 yr by marceline

I know that now. Errol was kind enough to clear that up for me upthread. But that still doesn't change anything for me on the general principle: Frank and Ron don't deserve to be the last ones standing.

Well, look at it this way - those who see them as soap saviors and as making GH the ideal can now be disillusioned as they do nothing to help GH (or somehow make it even worse, although that may not be possible), the ratings don't get any better, and the show is canceled right on schedule.

I don't care about OLTL vs. GH and i won't even begin to discuss whether OLTL is a good show. I'll let other people address that. It's just that I suspect RC and FV did a lot to pimp PP and now that it's dead I think they deserve to share in that pain with the cast and the crew who are now unemployed. For them to just coast into new jobs while the cast and crew of two soaps had to start over from scratch doesn't seem just or fair. That may not be pretty but it's what I think. There are a lot of other people who deserve a fresh start before those two. IMO, they should rot in the same hole as PP and its promises and lies.

Wow! And exactly how are you different from the crazy soap fans you admonished for booing Carla Hall at The View? This is the most asinine thing I've heard yet. At the end of all of this, it's just a canceled television show. Actors, crew, producers, writers... they're journeymen. This isn't anything anyone is entitled to.

Well, then, fine, I'll shut the [!@#$%^&*] up.

I wasn't even thinking about you when I wrote that.

Edited December 9, 201114 yr by R Sinclair

Doing cartwheel and backflips !!!!! I hope the new President can see that once The Chew and The Revolution fails they can bring back OLTL

.......and AMC!!

It's about PROFIT folks, not because Frank brought OLTL in under budget. In reality, Frank didn't do the show any favors by bringing it in under budget. By bringing the show under budget, he told the ABC Execs that they were giving him too much money. He should have at least spent what ABC was giving him. Frank's under budget version of OLTL did not increase profits. Bye Bye OLTL.