Members DRW50 Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 I don't think there's a divide either, not really. I never have. I think OLTL made a lot of mistakes with the characters of Todd and Rex, and those mistakes encompassed more and more of the show. Their stories were pure hell in 2009. Yet, they were rewarded for this, and one of the few stories which, while not great, was truly unique for the show and took OLTL back to its roots (the Kish story and their extended friends/family/confidantes), was not only trashed, but the actors were smeared and a very obvious statement was made that minorities were not welcome. And after that was stamped out, they went back to more lousy stories with Todd and Rex, and then the Fords. No wonder ratings collapsed. If the show had ever been able to or had the guts to fix what they did with Todd and Rex, then so much might be different now. They are behind the times again. The Kardashians are fading out, as far as I can see, and the OC Housewives is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angela Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 There's a lot of things to blame for the end of soap operas. My list in no particular order... - 10 to 15 year decline in quality of programming for various reasons (12-17, 18-34 & 18-49 focus, executive interference, copying elements that were successful for other programs even if it didn't fit, etc) - The surge of cable & cable news, beginning with OJ Simpson - The surge of the internet and it's own entertainment value. Young adults and kids don't watch soaps or television for escape and entertainment anymore, they get that from the various venues on the internet. - The surge of reality television; real people doing soap opera type stuff - The surge of women in the work place - Failure of soap and network executives to adapt soap operas to the changing world - Other ways to watch the soaps whenever you want that are not really counted including on the internet (youtube, ABC, CBS, NBC) and on cable (Soapnet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 Has anyone seen this clip? Cam is keenly aware of his acting range. LOL He seems like a really good guy and seems to know he's not the best, and that Ryan isn't the most expressive or best acted character. Please register in order to view this content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 That one's the main issue. The rest are just pretty basic for tv in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 IMO, Mathison is a passable actor who's suffered from Frons' obsession with him and his character. Neither he nor Lavery should every have been the frontburner airhog that we've been forced to endure and I think he knows this and hates it as much as we do. I judge soap actors on two criteria: talent and respect/connection with fans. I don't consider him particularly talented but from what I've seen and heard he is gangbusters with the fans. Affable, generous with his time and attention and really fun. HE understands his place in the genre. It's Frons who never has. Anyway, I suspect Cam Mat has a long and wonderful future as a game show host. ETA: LOL! Kylie beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wingwalker Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 Newest tweet from Jamey Giddens: Taped a bombshell hour of Daytime Confidential w/ TV Guide's Michael Logan. Hmmm, hopefully they post this soon. I'm pretty curious as what what Michael Logan had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NYC123 Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 Like many have stated, ABC will get more backlash with AMC/OLTL gone then CBS got with GL/ATWT. I am excited to see what bombshell things they were talking about but I am holding my breath considering it is Jamey Giddens.....thinking everything he says is a bombshell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quartermainefan Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 I think this is the real reason. The networks don't really make sense in that it is 2011 but they want the audience from 1951. The young, upscale demographic they are trying to reach are just not home. And then the people who are not home DVR the shows, but the networks say "sorry, you don't count." I have two weeks of DOOL in my DVR to get to, 3 hours of The Killing, to weeks of The Borgias, and I think I have family ties repeats from The Hub, sitting in my DVR almost a month. That's the reality. The sports divisions are much better at adapting. If you are a wealthy male 25-54 and you are not home to watch The Masters golf tournament, have no fear: You can watch it at Masters.com, CBS.com, ESPN3.com and probably someplace else too. The UK never ran Eastenders in the morning, and consequently it was able to find eyes to look at it. Looking at all the horrible reality shows ABC runs at night, I don't see why they couldn't retool AMC to air 3 night a week at 8 pm. Isn't that better than America's Fattest Nanny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Money Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 *sigh* I can actually picture this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quartermainefan Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 I agree. He seems like a really nice guy, who happened to be dealt a soap opera body and knows that's the only reason why he is around. He seems very likable to me even though his character overstayed its welcome years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 Logan of course was the first to accurately report OLTL was in just as much danger as AMC was.... I'd be interested too if there was some way I could filter out the parts where Jamey is speaking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trish672 Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 Seriously. His voice is almost painful to listen to. Then there's those bizarre segues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Llantano Incorporated Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 cannot wait for this. michael logan will have some hardcore details. My guess is his sources, after the announcement became official, gave more details.. who knows...cannot wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wingwalker Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 That's why I said, I'm looking forward to what Logan has to say, not Logan and Jamey. I hope Logan revealed everything he knows. Let it all hang out Michael! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted April 17, 2011 Members Share Posted April 17, 2011 This and this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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