Members Pine Charles Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 I guess you're right. I know Donna wasn't really a tart.... but she did turn tricks (and that's usually considered a "tarty" profession). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0MrCPRx4F8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Charles Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Cheap, I love that song! Damn, the dude @ :38 (with the girl.... tranny?) is so hot! OMG, Ongina (from RuPaul's Drag Race) is there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think a character can be a diva without being a bitch or a vixen. To me, a diva is a female character who embodies the show, is heavily associated with its best/most memorable periods, and has gone through a lot of crap. Viki from OLTL being a prime example of a bitchless diva. On the other hand, there are those who fit into all three categories (bitch, vixen, diva), thus earning the title "bitch goddess." But then again, there are a million different definitions of "diva," so who knows. One of my favorite archetypes is the smokey "marked woman" type, like ATWT's Kim or Corrie's Rita. The lust lounge singer/burlesque performer/exotic dancer type who ends up being full of wisdom. On the male side, I always love the "sensitive/brooding" guys, usually offset by a more ruthless brother. Prime example would be Gary Ewing. In the broken record department, if soaps would broaden their horizons a little, there are tons of new archetypes that could be explored in the five-days-a-week format. Where the trailer trash bitches at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 LMAO! When I read "tarty", I instally thought of "Dont be Tardy for the party". Kim Zolciak is a mess. Hot mess! That should be another soap archetype Sally Spectra was most definetly a diva and I wouldnt quite classify her as a bitch or vixen. She was well Sally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hot mess is definitely a legitimate soap archetype now, especially in the last few years. Characters they want us to root for but constantly f!ck their own lives up over and over and over again. Greenlee, that's all you girl!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Daytime's current Hot Mess characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 I definitely see your point in terms of the diva definition, but in regards to OLTL's Viki, I've always thought of her as a matriarch or heroine, never a diva/vixen/bitch. She's too mumsy for that. Viki's never had a period where she was "fabulous" (if that makes any sense). I think you MUST have had a period of being "fabulous" in order to qualify as a diva/vixen/bitch or bitch goddess. I love the "marked woman"...Corrie's Rita is a terrific example of this. What would EastEnders' Peggie be classified as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Peggy would be the vulnerable matriarch. Greenlee I would put as another overpropped wannabe heroine, like Phyllis on Y&R. There's also the antiheroine. Dorian, at her peak, is that. So was Rita Bauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Now that I think about it, I'm really thinking of Slezak as a diva, not Viki. Kinda like how all long-running soap actresses earn the title of diva, no matter who they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 its a shame bc Greenlee used to be an anti-heroine before this Rylee nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 And there unfortunately will never be another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 Pre psycho Sheila was a textbook antiheroine as were pre redemption Katherine & Nina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think they have written Greenlee as a heroine since long before Rylee - the whole Leo/Laura story was about Greenlee as heroine. It's just Budig's coldness that offsets the show's efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 There are also The Survivors. Men or Women (usually of a certain age) who aren't heroes/heroines or antiheroes/antiheroines but are just well...survivors. Like OLTL's Renee, Y&R's Katherine, GH's Monica, ATWT's Barbara, AMC's Dmitri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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