Members Cheap21 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 I dont think it was simply an issue of them being married. Janet was a villian and thats how she worked. She went downhill when they tried to domesticate her. She lost alot of her internal struggle and what was left was an empty shell. She was so out of place and they didnt know what to do with her as she wasnt Janet anymore. She didnt get interesting again until they had her go crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 It's tricky, because in one way that's what AMC sorely needs (maybe soaps in general now)--a stable, domestic family--and I think that was the goal. But I do agree that making Janet boring wasn't the way to do it--and then the candy cane fiasco--which I think is Carl's fave soap story of all time I was never a huge Laurel fan, but back when it was her and Trevor, that made more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 I dunno, I'm with Khan on the Christine thing--could it even be called really a reunion story when none of us knew of her before? I guess technically, but... I do agree that Walt stepped up in terms of his acting, and I liked seeing Travis, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 The thing is, what internal struggle has Janet ever had as a villain? Everything I've ever seen of Janet as a villain has generally been camp and being a plot device. I think the time period when they tried to reform Janet, 95-97/98, was when she was at her most complex. When she went crazy again it went back to the stupid idiot plotting -- I was so busy rolling my eyes at the candy cane and at her conveniently not wanting to borrow money from anyone or tell the truth to anyone that any interesting story features went out the window. With just a little effort, you could have told so much story with the Dillons, who were all so complex, had such weird pasts, and were played by great actors. James Kiberd, Robin Mattson, even Tommy Michaels and Alexis Manta, were all fine actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TeamEric Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Never watched anything but ABC soaps and my pick for best of 1998 would be Rape Revisited. Amazing acting and last time the non-mob side of canvas really got Guza's full attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Ah yes, I remember Nancy's 80th birthday party they even went to great lengths to bring back Penny Hughes, Donald Hughes, and Ellen Stewart for the occasion. Of course, since Titanic was all the rage at time...It was with this story that lead to the vanishings of Kirk and Sam. They really dropped the ball there, the mystery of their disappearance never solved. The less said, the better--except never go to work on your wedding day. Eh I didn't think Maggie going crazy was that bad, at least it gave her something to do besides be boring. James and Sheila were , especially after Christmas 1997, so really Maggie had no reason to be around. Spoken way too soon, especially for that last one. Til the wedding became all about Molly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Was Don at Nancy's party? I don't remember that. I just remember Ellen and Penny. I loved when Penny said, "Who ARE all these people?" as that summed up my feelings on that era of ATWT. I wonder if Rosemary ad-libbed that. I thought Sheila/James worked as a couple, if the show had made the effort. Maggie suddenly being psycho was kind of stupid but B&B has done much worse. Maggie was ruined anyway once they made her good and took her out of the Dylan story. The best part of the Lily/Holden wedding was Julie and Andy coming back. The last time we ever saw Julie, as later writers turned her into an offcamera mother who spent years fighting illness. I know that's how I always saw Julie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 I remember being thrilled at seeing Caleb and Julie happily together again at the wedding, I hated how they broke up over Julie's never before seen naughty kids and then later Carly playing mind games. Regarding Julie's illnesses that's why Aaron came back and then later left, I think in '05 they said Julie had terminal cancer. Yikes did they ever mention her after that? The more I think about it I can't remember now if Don was actually there at the sinking or not, I remember him popping in a couple times on Ryder there '96 but nothing afterward. I wonder if the sinking was Patricia Bruder's final ATWT appearance, because I do remember Prinz coming back for Christmas 2000. Sheila could have worked as on-going villainess with the proper writing but Brad Bell took it too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 I lost interest in Caleb/Julie after they cast Graham Winton, but I was glad Julie got a happy ending at least. The whole idea of her raising Aaron, when she had little interest in children, was just an example of writers who didn't know the show's history. Then all this illness she had -- that's not out of character, of course, because anyone can be ill, but how sad and depressing for a fun character. I thought I read that eventually Aaron said she had gotten better, but I don't know. I don't ever remember seeing Don but then I missed some of 96. I think Ellen's final appearance was Thanksgiving 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Kate Collins Janet was pure camp. Robin Mattson's was more complex. Her internal struggle centered around her desire to be wanted and accepted. This was rooted from feelnig inferior to her sister and rejection from her mother. Her love for Amanda also motivated her. RMs Janet was alot more dynamic and wasnt simply all about comedic hijinks. Mind you I did like she and Trevor but in hindsight, it probably would have been best to not give them a happy ending together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Janet stuffing "Uncle Porkchop" in the freezer is not exactly what I'd call a "happy ending." ;-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChiTownBoi03 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 I don't remember Leann Rimes' appearance on DAYS, but DANG do I sure remember them playing that "How Do I Live" song every other day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Thats not something that happened till nearly 10 years later, long after the tiem perioud in which we were discussing. After all the mayhem and drama that went on with them in the early 90s, they did get a happy ending with their 1998 wedding. What I said was in context with this SOD 1998 issue. What happened in 2006 is inconsequential to that I rememebr it involving Mike and Carrie. I beleive they went away together as their relationship started and LeAnn played a role in that story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dawn9476 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 1998's AMC was pretty much complete garbage especially how much Hayley and Mateo were shoved down our throats. It made me hate them. The only thing that was good was Tad & Dixie reuniting. It was a major letdown after how great 97 was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members juniorz1 Posted October 17, 2010 Members Share Posted October 17, 2010 Actually, Leann played some homeless girl with a pretty voice that Eric Brady befriended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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