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September 20 - 24, 2010

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The Talk won't be a hit in that ATWT former time slot because most people are busy with work or getting ready for the kids to come home from school. The View struggled for years with ratings and it didn't start to make real head way until it got moved to the lunch time slot in some markets.

The View was always in at 11EST/10AM Central. Many affiliates chose to push the show into late-night for years.

I think because of who Julie Chen is that her show will most likely get switched to the time slot that Y&R is in because they get the lunch time viewers in lots of markets. I think that will be the only way to judge if The Talk is a success or not because both shows are going head to head for the workers taking lunch breaks.
I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened. I don't know why they feel the need to prolong doing this.

I do have a sneaking suspicion that if the time doesn't switch nationally, that they will go live on the west coast with O&O stations. The show tapes at 11AM live for a 2PM broadcast on the east coast.

Now if that happens and Y&R is switched to ATWT former time slot in some markets then I truely feel sorry for that show because it won't continue to be the number 1 soap anymore. The writing is horrible since MAB took over. Will those longtime viewers drop everything and run to their sets to watch the show or will they move on like the old ATWT viewers did? My guess is most will.
Maria Bell will have no one to blame but herself. She pretty much gave Barbara Bloom and Margot Wain the big f*ck you to Miss Nellie of all people. You think Barbara Bloom's forgotten that easily? You think Maria's calmed her arrogant ass down? Doubtful on both parts.

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If you love soaps, the genre, and your soap get cancelled, it seems pretty natural to check out a new show. I still don't get this 'why would a ATWT fan watch OLTL or Days?'

Because it's not about loving or hating OLTL or DAYS or soaps or the genre, it's about the realities of consumer behavior and the reality is viewers don't switch. There's nothing in the history of the genre to support the belief that they would, at least nothing I've seen. Maybe one of the many number crunchers we have on the board can set me straight: has there ever been an example of remaining soaps getting a noticeable, measurable boost from the cancellation of another soap? Even a temporary one?

You can love the genre all you want but last I checked, the Nielsens didn't count love.

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Maria Bell will have no one to blame but herself. She pretty much gave Barbara Bloom and Margot Wain the big f*ck you to Miss Nellie of all people. You think Barbara Bloom's forgotten that easily? You think Maria's calmed her arrogant ass down? Doubtful on both parts.

bellcurve...this just made me giggle out loud. I can actually envision the reaction to the big f*ck off!!! :lol: I will imagine that Tassler has some input around this as well.

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Also, I blame lazy fans (not PGP or Pissy) for not tuning in. Ratings are very democratic and, sadly, ATWT didn't get enough votes.

So these "lazy" fans were supposed to stick around and watch the crap ATWT/GL put out in its last years?

The blame goes to PGP and the HW/EPs of both soaps. CBS, I have and never will blame they gave those shows way longer than they deserved.

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The reason I posted the post-ATWT ratings was not that I want a show to fail, but only that I found it validating that a signifant number of people, even in these large markets (not traditional soap markets) tuned in for ATWT specifically. There is still an audience out there for soaps.

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Because it's not about loving or hating OLTL or DAYS or soaps or the genre, it's about the realities of consumer behavior and the reality is viewers don't switch. There's nothing in the history of the genre to support the belief that they would, at least nothing I've seen. Maybe one of the many number crunchers we have on the board can set me straight: has there ever been an example of remaining soaps getting a noticeable, measurable boost from the cancellation of another soap? Even a temporary one?

You can love the genre all you want but last I checked, the Nielsens didn't count love.

Daytime is different than primetime in that fans tend to stick woth one network. In the past, however, there are examples of viewers changing networks mid day and swapping one show for another. The rise of GH in the 1980's is a good case. I highly doubt viewers waited until 3pm to start soap watching meaning there must have been flux due to bizz. Also, during the GH rise, GL began to drop and fell out of the top five. This wasn't that Long after Pam Long rehabed the show and drive it into a first place finish. Also, OLTL and GH certainly stole viewers from CBS during the 1970's. I find it curious that SFT fans checked out the new CBS offerings and failed to follow the show to NBC. Lastly, the lack of NBC soap programming may be helping other soaps. Wow, the numbers would be even more scarey if there were more options.

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Maria Bell will have no one to blame but herself. She pretty much gave Barbara Bloom and Margot Wain the big f*ck you to Miss Nellie of all people. You think Barbara Bloom's forgotten that easily? You think Maria's calmed her arrogant ass down? Doubtful on both parts.

The question is how her family allowed her to go on this rampage.

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Daytime is different than primetime in that fans tend to stick woth one network. In the past, however, there are examples of viewers changing networks mid day and swapping one show for another. The rise of GH in the 1980's is a good case. I highly doubt viewers waited until 3pm to start soap watching meaning there must have been flux due to bizz. Also, during the GH rise, GL began to drop and fell out of the top five. This wasn't that Long after Pam Long rehabed the show and drive it into a first place finish. Also, OLTL and GH certainly stole viewers from CBS during the 1970's. I find it curious that SFT fans checked out the new CBS offerings and failed to follow the show to NBC. Lastly, the lack of NBC soap programming may be helping other soaps. Wow, the numbers would be even more scarey if there were more options.

You do realize that soaps were relevant and popular then. Here in 2010, I have met some people that are actually shocked that ANY soap is still on the air. Most of ATWT fans are not out there feigning for a daily soap fix like a crackhead. They haved moved on, I don't know what is going to take for you to get that. OLTL losing viewers during this ratings week should have proved it to you.

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