All this talk about how Frons is purposely tanking OLTL is just fan excuses for the show doing poorly. Why would the man want to lessen his position with the network it is to his advantage if his daytime lineup remains three soaps and the view especially with talks of the view going syndicated and him already losing soapnet. Besides the fact that Frons has no power to cancel a show people are giving this man too much credit,

LOL!!! I agree with you 100%. Every time I see a post says Frons this Frons that, I keep asking myself who is feeding this junk to people. Though I think Frons interferes, I don't think he want to see any of his daytime products fail. What kind of manager would that make him?

Ratings are basically in line with last week with GH gaining a slight bit. I'm shocked ATWT gained so many viewers considering there are no 'vet' returns and blah storylines. I was off on B&B, thought the curren Brooke story would bring old fans back.

For me it did the exact opposite. I was holding on to B&B by a thread and this story finally broke it. I wouldn't have minded if it had been Donna or Katie against Steffy, but not Brooke. She has been fighting with Stephanie all these years, and to see her being brought down (albeit temporarily) by a twit like Steffy is not entertaining for me.

Yeah maybe the Brooke hater audience did return, but not enough to counter-act the Brooke fans who have had their fill of the character being torn down and degraded for the Forrester Twits that this latest storyline was the last straw. I have been done with B&B, since the boink, and haven't missed it one damn bit. My mom quit as well and I never thought that day would come. It is funny to look at the demos, B&B lost almost half its audience in the 12-18 group. I wouldn't be surprised if they were enjoying Oliver and Hope and B&B stupidly ruined that couple for a few minutes of shock and titillation.

Same with Y&R, can't be bothered to waste my time of day on it. Soaps are dead to me, RIP.

Actually I doubt that the advertisers are interested in weekly demo numbers I am more certain that when presented the numbers are presented y-t-d which makes the numbers look better. AMC numbers y-t-d are better than or equal to OLTL. I am also guessing that soap viewership ad dollars rely on more than the 18-49 demo since much ads during that time are focused on the older gen, abcd probably sells their ad time by the block from 1-3 with advertisers choosing when they wish their ads to be shown. The median age for soap viewship is over 49, I think the networks realize that they are never going to capture that younger audience an 1.1-1.2 demo is not pulling in the ad dollars as seen by all the budget cuts.

OLTL being safer than AMC I doubt that not just because of the move, but due to other outside factors. All those whispers rumors are not for nothing. The only safe show on abcd is GH

Well said. Advertisers buy upfront. Also, statistically, there is little difference between AMC and OLTL's numbers. Both are in trouble because they have lost audience in the 18-49 key demo. AMC appears to be making a creative recovery of sorts, but it is too soon to tell if that will last and if it will translate into the addition of more younger viewers. OLTL has a strong teen focus this summer, but its demo numbers need to rise significantly for it to separate tself from AMC. Finally, OLTL's last-place finish, even if it is total viewers, isn't pretty.

I agree with the previous psoter that Y&R is the only safe soap.

It pains me to see that 0.8 for AMC in the 18-49 demo. I love AMC right now and I am very entertained by the more traditional story telling. OLTL deserves the ratings its getting and I don't wish to see it canceled but I am glad it has dropped just to prove the "Gays" didn't drop the ratings to begin with.

LOL!!! I agree with you 100%. Every time I see a post says Frons this Frons that, I keep asking myself who is feeding this junk to people. Though I think Frons interferes, I don't think he want to see any of his daytime products fail. What kind of manager would that make him?

If this is true he hasn't changed a thing. He keeps going in the same direction which is failing. He would admit he is wrong with the direction the shows are going in. All have lost viewers and all have not gained or gone up in the ratings. If he wants the shows to make it he better start making the changes that need to be made!

The reason why OLTL will be gone before AMC will is because of the year on year number. AMC has grown in the total viwers, Men, and Teens. Everyone's demos number are HORRIBLE. If everyone went by that every soap would be canceled except Y&R.

At this point networks are now looking at every category closely. OLTL always being last in Total Viewers and behind a canceld ATWT is not good for them.

The reason why OLTL will be gone before AMC will is because of the year on year number. AMC has grown in the total viwers, Men, and Teens. Everyone's demos number are HORRIBLE. If everyone went by that every soap would be canceled except Y&R.

Nobody is worried about teens, men, and old people. It's all about Women 18-49 and OLTL is ahead of AMC, and going by buisness instead of the show with "the bigger name", AMC should go first.

This argument has been discussed to death, whichever one goes first the other won't last that long afterwards.

I don't think that DAYS is going to revive the ratings this time, next week DAYS will fall because of tennis tournament, and there's a possibility that they will hit new low for HH next week. To be honest, I don't think changing head writers or producers can save the show, Tomlin/Dena/Christopher are the beast team.

I don't think that DAYS is going to revive the ratings this time, next week DAYS will fall because of tennis tournament, and there's a possibility that they will hit new low for HH next week. To be honest, I don't think changing head writers or producers can save the show, Tomlin/Dena/Christopher are the beast team.

DAYS hit a 1.7 during the Wimbledon week in 2008, but NBC coded the episodes as specials. So technically if they hit a 1.7 (which is the lowest I expect) it won't really be a new low.

And why can't DAYS revive the ratings? It is the summer, and for most of the spring they had all their stories stalling and not alot going on.

They have alot of secrets that can help the show big time. Chloe/Philip's one nighter, Who' the father of Chloe's baby, Hope being revealed as the mugger, EJ being behind the kidnapping, the stuff with Madeline/Stefano/Kate, Nicole framing Arianna.

And Vivian being buried alive.

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Nobody is worried about teens, men, and old people. It's all about Women 18-49 and OLTL is ahead of AMC, and going by buisness instead of the show with "the bigger name", AMC should go first.

This argument has been discussed to death, whichever one goes first the other won't last that long afterwards.

To be honest, I think ABC will have a difficult descision to cancel OLTL or AMC. Both soaps ratings are at risk however, AMC total ratings are higher than OLTL this year but, ABC focused only on women 18-49 ratings and OLTL is higher than AMC in the demos. GH is safe and it's the last ABC soap to cancel. I think personally think that ABC should cancel OLTL AND!!! AMC but I don't want these two soaps to end.

DAYS hit a 1.7 during the Wimbledon week in 2008, but NBC coded the episodes as specials. So technically if they hit a 1.7 (which is the lowest I expect) it won't really be a new low.

And why can't DAYS revive the ratings? It is the summer, and for most of the spring they had all their stories stalling and not alot going on.

They have alot of secrets that can help the show big time. Chloe/Philip's one nighter, Who' the father of Chloe's baby, Hope being revealed as the mugger, EJ being behind the kidnapping, the stuff with Madeline/Stefano/Kate, Nicole framing Arianna.

And Vivian being buried alive.

Well, Alice's funeral is the most anticipating storyline this year and it didn't effect the ratings that well.

Julianne was only one episode. Lucinda and Barbara have been featured for weeks now. I don't think people are turning in because it is ending. Fans didnt return to GL during the summer it was ending. The ratings wer in the 1.4 range. They didnt return until the last week when GL ended with a 1.9 rating and had a high of 2.2 for one of those days.

The current ATWT rise is very different from the GL situation. ATWT is putting out a better story and viewers are tuning in. I think Goutman was smart not to devote the final months totally to vet returns but instead just keep going with story. The show is up more than 100,000 viewers from last year to date which means fans have not given up on World and that the show has more life in it. GL was done by the final season and few fans could stand the outdoor filming. CBS wants cheap programming, the genre is basically finished; however, ATWT still has life in it. Too bad no other media outlet was willing to pick it up.

The current ATWT rise is very different from the GL situation. ATWT is putting out a better story and viewers are tuning in. I think Goutman was smart not to devote the final months totally to vet returns but instead just keep going with story. The show is up more than 100,000 viewers from last year to date which means fans have not given up on World and that the show has more life in it. GL was done by the final season and few fans could stand the outdoor filming. CBS wants cheap programming, the genre is basically finished; however, ATWT still has life in it. Too bad no other media outlet was willing to pick it up.

I agree that ATWT shouldn't have been cancelled, but they are only up so much in viewers over last year, because their numbers were HORRIBLE this time last year. I really don't think it means it's gaining an audience or anything.

I don't think bringing back vets would have hurt ratings. Considering that the ratings have gone up when vets like Barbara and Lucinda have been featured more than they have in a long time, perhaps they should have brought people back. If the choice is between a veteran and someone like Liberty, who seems more like she's about to get voted off Survivor than a cancer patient, I think people would rather see a vet.

Funny that ATWT is the only soap that posted year-to-year gains.

I agree that ATWT shouldn't have been cancelled, but they are only up so much in viewers over last year, because their numbers were HORRIBLE this time last year. I really don't think it means it's gaining an audience or anything.

Well put, however, soaps have historically shed and then, later, regained viewers. ATWT has done this many times over the years. It isn't that these numbers are great but the show World trending upwards.