Woody Allen, Gary Glitter, R. Kelly & Roman Polanski didn't consider it pedophelia either.

he is so desperate for that family to notice him he even married Cousin Itt

WIN.

Edited July 2, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Woody Allen, Gary Glitter, R. Kelly & Roman Polanski didn't consider it pedophelia either.

WIN.

It just all depends. It's a gray area to be sure.... but in this case, Lily actively PURSUED Kevin. I just don't subcribe to this idea that your'e a CHILD until until your 18th birthday, and then you magically become an adult overnight. It almost seems like teenagers don't exist anymore. Loretta Lynn was married for 5 years and had 3 children by her 18th birthday, I suppose you can ask her if she was "raped". It's a tangled issue for sure, and interesting to watch played out on screen. But then, we had Alden and Smith writing at the time, and they did some good things. Personally, I think the age of consent should be 16 (Isn't it that in the UK?) I mean, if you can drive, you can screw, ya know? And then younger, I think it should not be stautory rape unless there is enough of an age difference or something like that. But if you choose something like 10 years, then you can ahve a 22 year old having sex with a 12 year old, and THAT wouldn't work. So who knows. I guess that's why laws vary so much from country to country, it's such a difficult thing to wrap your mind around, with no clear cut solution.

Edited July 2, 201015 yr by alphanguy74

Someone could question it, but nothing would come of it. the STD was Chlamydia, not something that contributes to cancer. This Kevin/Lily thing WAS creepy because of the nature of Kevin... but honestly, she was WILLING, even desperate to get it on with him, I just don't consider it pedophilia. American society in the last 10 years has just gone apeshit over peodphilia, the paranoia is amazing. Think about Ringo Starr singing "Your'e 16, your'e beautiful and your'e mine".. or Bobby Goldsboro singing "She was 31, and I was 17... I knew nothing bout love, she knew everything. I came and sat beside her on the front porch swing, anhd wondered what the coming night would bring". In today's world, BOTH those songs depict "child molestation"... but they certainly never were seen as that 40 years ago, now were they? Just watch the movie "Summer Of 42" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I really don't think things have changed. Teens are still treated as sex object. Look at Miley Cyrus and how the media portrays her (and yes, I know her camp works it). I see a huge difference between statutory rape and pedophilia though. The whole point of pedophilia is that the predator is not interested in people who have gone through puberty. That's a unique kind of evil, imo and it deserves a much stronger sentence.

It just all depends. It's a gray area to be sure....

No it doesn't "all just depend" nor is it a "gray area".

Statutory Rape LAWS exist for reasons.

Lily actively PURSUED Kevin.

So?

She was underage & therefore protected BY LAW.

He is, was & always will be a rapist & pedophile.

I just don't subcribe to this idea that your'e a CHILD until until your 18th birthday, and then you magically become an adult overnight.

Sleep with a child under the age of 18 then go tell the police that you did & THEN see what you "magically subscribe to".

It almost seems like teenagers don't exist anymore.

Teenagers exist. Lily & Kevin was NOT a "teenage" relationship.

It was a GROWN adult RAPING an underage CHILD.

I suppose you can ask her if she was "raped".

She was married BY LAW despite being underage.

Attempting to compare THAT to raping underage children via manipulation & coercion doesn't wash.

Try again.

It's a tangled issue for sure

No it's not.

You just want to give Kevin a free pass cause of his race & his size.

and interesting to watch played out on screen.

What played out onscreen & the outcome of such was heavily affected by agendas not the least of which being the casting of the victim.

Personally, I think the age of consent should be 16

Your "personal feelings" don't matter.

The laws exist to protect children.

I think it should not be stautory rape unless there is enough of an age difference or something like that.

Again.

Go have sex with a child under the age of 18 then report yourself to police & see how much "discussion" & "debate" you'll get.

with no clear cut solution.

It's VERY clear cut.

Underage CHILDREN are deemed BY LAW not mentally or emotionally capable to make the decision to have sex period.

Teenagers or not.

And those that are underage that want to get married need PARENTAL PERMISSION or JUDICIAL INTERVENTION.

Edited July 3, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Teens are still treated as sex object.

Especially Women Of Color.

The whole point of pedophilia is that the predator is not interested in people who have gone through puberty.

Pedophilia is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), pedophilia is a paraphilia in which a person has intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about children they have either acted on or cause distress or interpersonal difficulty. The disorder is common among people who commit child sexual abuse; however, some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia. In strictly behavioral contexts, the word "pedophilia" has been used to refer to child sexual abuse itself, also called "pedophilic behavior". In law enforcement, the term "pedophile" is loosely used without formal definition to describe those convicted of child sexual abuse or the sexual abuse of a minor, including both prepubescent children and pubescent or post-pubescent adolescents.

Which pretty much defines Kevin though he is an Ephebophile which is basically the same thing.

Teenagers exist. Lily & Kevin was NOT a "teenage" relationship.

It was a GROWN adult RAPING an underage CHILD.

She was married BY LAW despite being underage.

Attempting to compare THAT to raping underage children via manipulation & coercion doesn't wash.

Try again.

I can't believe people comparing what she did with Kevin when she was 14 & he was 26. To her marrying Daniel at the age 17 & he just turn 18. Two different things going on.

I can't believe people comparing what she did with Kevin when she was 14 & he was 26. To her marrying Daniel at the age 17 & he just turn 18. Two different things going on.

EXACTLY.

I can't believe people comparing what she did with Kevin when she was 14 & he was 26. To her marrying Daniel at the age 17 & he just turn 18. Two different things going on.

was the age difference that big? I thought she was like 15/16 and he was like 22

was the age difference that big?

Yes.

She was 15 & he was 26.

Yes.

She was 15 & he was 26.

Yikes. That just makes him come across extra skeevy

Go have sex with a child under the age of 18 then report yourself to police & see how much "discussion" & "debate" you'll get.

In many states he could. I stopped counting at 10 states where the age of consent is 16 without an age gap provision and several of these states have a "mistake of age defense". * I find that pretty shocking. Not as shocking as 13 year olds being allowed to marry in NH though. I don't care who gives permission that is f*cking nuts.

*http://www.ageofconsent.us/

In many states he could.

Wisconsin

Age of Consent 18

Age Gap Provision No

Mistake of Age Defense No

Wisconsin

The age of consent in Wisconsin is 18.

948.02 Sexual assault of a child... 2) SECOND DEGREE SEXUAL ASSAULT. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class C felony...

948.09 Sexual intercourse with a child age 16 or older. Whoever has sexual intercourse with a child who is not the defendant's spouse and who has attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

Wisconsin

Age of Consent 18

Age Gap Provision No

Mistake of Age Defense No

Wisconsin

The age of consent in Wisconsin is 18.

948.02 Sexual assault of a child... 2) SECOND DEGREE SEXUAL ASSAULT. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class C felony...

948.09 Sexual intercourse with a child age 16 or older. Whoever has sexual intercourse with a child who is not the defendant's spouse and who has attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

You responded to Alphanguy who clearly was not talking about Kevin/ Lily and doesn't live in Wisconsin with this:

Sleep with a child under the age of 18 then go tell the police that you did & THEN see what you "magically subscribe to".

I'm saying he easily could do exactly that. I don't know how you can say this issue is clear cut when the rules are different in different parts of the country. That's pretty much the definition of subjective and not at all clear cut. Does it really make sense to say that someone who sleeps with a 16 year old is a pedophile in NY, but they can so the same thing in Kansas and they aren't? If law makers in different states can't even agree at what age a person has reached the age of consent that sounds like a gray area to me.

You responded to Alphanguy who clearly was not talking about Kevin/ Lily and doesn't live in Wisconsin with this:

A. Regardless of slight etymology the laws still exist.

B. The difference is still ONLY two years at best.

I don't know how you can say this issue is clear cut when the rules are different in different parts of the country.

The issues are VERY clear cut.

The etymology changes but the laws still exist & acting like a 2 year difference (16-18) is such a HUGE chasm that it justifies sexual assault/rape of children is offensive.

That's pretty much the definition of subjective and not at all clear cut.

No.

Subjective is one ADULT taking advantage of another ADULT.

The law states children (including teenagers under the age of consent in their state included) do NOT have legal jurisdiction to have sex.

That is a fact.

Does it really make sense to say that someone who sleeps with a 16 year old is a pedophile in NY, but they can so the same thing in Kansas and they aren't?

Yep.

And when the dual issues of racism & misogyny aren't factored into your vain attempts to justify rape/sexual assault of women (especially WOC) your assertion doesn't hold.

If law makers in different states can't even agree at what age a person has reached the age of consent that sounds like a gray area to me.

But they DO agree.

The ONLY real difference is various states have a miniscule 1 or 2 year difference that defines the ability for a teenager to legally be able to give consent to have sex.

It doesn't change that it's still breaking the law & is a punishable offense.

Edited July 3, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

You responded to Alphanguy who clearly was not talking about Kevin/ Lily and doesn't live in Wisconsin with this:

I'm saying he easily could do exactly that. I don't know how you can say this issue is clear cut when the rules are different in different parts of the country. That's pretty much the definition of subjective and not at all clear cut. Does it really make sense to say that someone who sleeps with a 16 year old is a pedophile in NY, but they can so the same thing in Kansas and they aren't? If law makers in different states can't even agree at what age a person has reached the age of consent that sounds like a gray area to me.

Yes, that's exactly the point I was trying to make.. there is alot of subjective stuff like that, for instance.. prostitution being legal in Nevada... oral sex being illegal in Texas, etc. and that's waht makes a SL like Lily/Kevin such compelling television, is that internal conflict it creates with the viewer, espcially because she was portrayed as really WANTING it. Dee Dee, I don't why you take all this so seriously, it's only opinions on laws and SL's. Everyone knows that you must abide by laws, whether you think thyr'e right or not... wherever you happen to live.